Missions & Complexes

all this posting basically comes down to "OMG WHAT SOMEONE SAID NERF INCURSIONS, MUST DEFEND WITH MOAR POSTS"

Ok. Lets take a step back.

You are saying that in order to limit the isk flow, we have the ability to kill the mom. Ok. I now accept that incursions are balanced and they should stay as they are.

In that case, I propose sanctums should get an isk/hr boost that would equate to about 500 mil/hr. If you don't like it, you can just kill the ratters, thus limiting the isk flow the same way you have told the rest of us we can limit incursion isk flow.

Thats balanced right?

A small roaming gang can shut down a lot of space and isk/hr efficiency quite easily

Oh right, you don't know anything about pvp, carry on with the ignorance.

In non of your posts you actually give a reason for nerfing. Instead you rely on insulting people. You must be a proud forum pvp-er.

In none of those posts maybe. Did you bother to read anything else?

The isk income in high sec right now is too high, especially for the lol risk that is involved. Unfortunately, you seem to think that players sucking at the game and the possibility of someone killing the mom is "risk."

Don't worry, CCP isn't going to change anything, way too risky right now. That doesn't mean the situation is right. It just means that CCP screwed up so bad for so long that angering high sec incursion runners now would be bad business.

Lulz, protip, it proves you're pro.

You should +1 my posts since you agree.

Not really, no. The difference is actually quite massive, and a tad ironic when you think about it:
The very same highsec mechanics that stop most people from losing their incursion ships stops the highsec carebears from interfering should someone start shooting down the mom sites. There's literally nothing stopping you should you get a fleet up capable of running down the mom sites, and indeed this has happened before when the armor and shield fleets got into arguments over who could shoot what.

As it stands, you have a massive group of players working together in order to grind as much isk out of incursions as possible, and this really isn't that different from space holding alliances using their intel channels to keep their ratters safe. Yes the rewards are high for something that happens in highsec, but then you're ignoring the other contributing factor: teamwork. A group of players working together SHOULD make more than someone grinding isk alone (by how much, and how it should compare to low/null solo PVE is debatable mind you). These highsec incursion fleets tend to be made up of 10-12 people, fielding a total of 10 to 15 billion isk worth of ships, and you're going to complain because they make similar money to what someone in a t1 BS can pull on their own out in nullsec?

If you want to be anal about comparing the income of high and null sec, you have to even the playing field a bit I think. An incursion blitzing fleet in null can pull in 300mil/hour/person + LP if the fleet's set up properly, and it can be done in cheaper ships to boot.


Back when I lived in null and sustained myself with belt ratting (this was before sanctums were the main isk making thing) the only time I lost ships was when moving around. It's so pitifully easy to keep a ratting ship safe you have no one to blame but yourself if you lose one.

Because they're terribly overpowered and OP

Failed starting point there Cambarus. The concepts of logic and salazar do not belong in the same sentence, except with a negative interposed.
Salazar is a veteran troll and seems to gain pleasure from stringing people along with abuse and nonsense. In that he is quite adept. In producing meaningful discussion and argument ... well ... some of his posts occasionally appear to make sense.

To be honest, all i see here is a bitter person jelous of others that have finally found the possibility of making a viable income in hisec.
Since as stated you have the option to disrupt that income, i really don't see any point for that childish whining about nerfing incursions!
I rather suspect that the OP is running nullsec bots 23/7 and is utterly jelous that others have found a way to earn similar ammounts of isk.
So what's the problem, you want to be the only one making isk and let ccp nerf everyone elses isk-making so you feel king of the hill again? As sad as this sounds, i strongly suspect this is EXACTLY how you sad little whiner feel deep inside.