EVE General Discussion

Cocaine is one hell of a drug.

Someone has never watched Chappelle's Show.

Wow, page four already.
Anyway, to adress the OPs question.
(TL;DR at the bottom)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiled

With work, there comes reward.

Getting rewarded for doing an equivalent 'amount' of work makes us feel great.

One feels satisfied, beyond the reward.

Getting a high reward for a comparatively small 'amount' of work will, for a few first times, make you feel richer.
If you can and do continue in doing this, it becomes easy money.


With work there not only comes reward, but also value.

Satisfaction can only be achieved by value, not by reward alone.

The Scrooge Exemption:
You can pull Satisfaction out of money hogging if you share characteristics with Ebenezer Scrooge,
but then you're out of the context, because Scrooge is nobody who would ever want to spend his money anyway.

Compared to those who want to 'get more money in less time' so they can buy more/expensive stuff,
which then loses value rapidly because it's not worth anything anymore.


Without work, reward is shallow.


Somebody with 100 billion ISK does not have to put value into anything he buys,
because he can always buy a new one and simply replace it.


Others, who needed to put work into what they have, have either much harder feelings about loss,
and/or accept the fact that work needs to be done to get where one wants to be.

There's a value in not only what you do, but also in what you can gain from the reward of your work.


Without the value you create out of work, your reward is shallow.


TL;DR:

Decadence ... in a society near you.
Come and join, it is fun until it stabs you in the back for profit.

A very calvinist approach to things.

I was brought up to this point of view actually but I'm not convinced that it is necessarily the best way of viewing the world (depending of course on your goals in life) - you end up always the worker and never the boss, often the one at the bottom of the heap who does all the work and doesn't reap the rewards of that work at all.

I value the work ethic that this kind of upbringing provided me with but have spent a long time shedding some of the rest of the mental baggage it gave me.

I would respectfully suggest that this is a philosophy anyway and not a fundamental truth - what you say may be true for some but not necessarily for others - I doubt for example there are many goonswarmers that would subscribe to this outlook and yet I am sure a great many of them have plenty of fun

I think that what you have stated above answers a good deal of the source of the whining. The controlling "elites" of Eve are really a narcissistic lot suffering from an inflated entitlement complex. If you look at who controls the access to moongoo, the complexes, and certain areas of drone space (the traditional sources of materials and isk generation in Eve that are necessary to support large scale sovereignty states) you will see that they fall into two basic categories;

1) The Early Settlers of Zero - (Players that staked their claim early on in Eve and accumulated a core resource base when Zero was not heavily populated) and

2) The RMT Farms - (RMT businesses that essentially "bought" their positions with real cash through PLEX-to-Isk investments for the purpose of running ISK Farms to generate Isk to sell in RMT.)

Both of these groups object to any significant source of isk existing outside of deep zero because it represents a threat to their hegemony (if they are playing the game) or business (as it reduces the value of RMT isk). They whine like sheep being slaughtered any time CCP alters the game to provide resource faucets to the player "masses" that are situated outside of their deep zero holdings (ergo the reason behind the continual bleating of the "Risk versus Reward" arguement that demands all high yield activities be located in deep Zero). Their vocal objections to the Incursions is a good example of this.

It is interesting to note that these same groups are the primary entities that utilize botting to generate resources and also run the "rent-a-slave" farms that are passed off as "new player participation in Zero".

Altogether a despicable bunch who need to be exterminated in my opinion. Unfortunately neither I nor most of the non-slave population of Eve have enough time or money to do what is necessary to accomplish this within the current game mechanics of Eve.

You aren't even close.. the number starts with a "T"...

And that is exactly why they are opposed by the powers that be.

You are under the impression that minerals come from mining as opposed to say, reprocessed mission/drone loot.

No just logged in and vexor = 5M. PI earnings alone over 4 planets a day say ~8M, thats alot of mission running in the old days! I don't disagree my explantations for my view point are simplistic but nothing you have said really proves me wrong.

Oh well, the expected individualistic almost-an-argument.

Anyway ... no.

Those who don't enjoy their jobs will not find satisfaction from their work.

That's nothing individual, that's rock bottom.


Also, nowhere did i imply that "doing work" means "being a worker",
because a boss is also "doing work", you know. And a hobby can be "work" too.

You're seeing things that aren't there, for a reason that's only with you.
Maybe it's your way of viewing the world that's not quite the best way. :)


Oh and please elaborate on the goons ... i'm interested.

AFAIK, noobs that join the goons get spoiled from the get-go,
so they become decadent at young age already and don't have to work ...
... hence they don't see any value in work ...
... so it's fun and giggles to destroy the work of others.

One of the major aspects of the games is derived from weath, it is core to the game, asking why it matters is like asking why ammo matters in PvP.

It is a no brainer unless you are trying to come up with bullshit self justfications for being a Pay 2 Win player.