Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah, it's called a WATCH list, not a FRIEND list, or a BUDDY list.

It's fairly obvious the intent behind it.

I'd only be willing to part with the watch list if local is removed at the same time. Free intel being free intel, let's bundle this and get it all done at once.

And there it is in a nutshell. Big null blocks w/ a herd of supers they want to play with say free intel is bad when it divulges the status of their super pilots, BUT if it aids their bearish inland activities and lines their wallets then it's just fine.

This is hypocracy at its best.

TL/DR If you can afford a super then you can afford to protect it and *gasp* to lose it. Just like everything else in eve - board at your own risk (muttering just loud enough for folks to hear) *pampered*bit*h*s*

Double agree, you shouldn't be able to shoot people without their permission either - especially if you're flying a super.
(sarcasm)

CCP could launch a whole new advertising campaign based on watchlist permission:


EVE online a friendly space game where everything is as it should be - consensual. Come play our family game where mutual permission and respect are the key building vast empires of BFFs. Explore our vast sandbox, see the raibow nebuli, the Flower Planets and the golden asteroid belts. EVE online where holding the door for you friends is coded right into the game.



This thread is at best a troll, median a self centered whine and at it worst - a redundant thread that should have been closed before page 2 happened. This has been argued at great length several times. Locky locky please.

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#WHINEYBITCHCREW thread

We got slaughtered a few days ago by sleeper social club. We knew what was coming and we took the fight anyway. We figured we could get 3 of them, but only got 1. Poop happens.

The mega was on the hs because he rolled himself out.

I can't help you if you'll only fight when it's a sure win.



Now that we're all caught up on local events:

Here's the thing w/ the watchlist argument - it's a lot bigger than 2 small wh corps being bad at wormholes. This whole thread is about self indulgent sup pilots being sissy sallies and trying to change game mechanics so that the big target they longingly hopped into is harder to hunt and catch (Aridia) and/or so large groups can't be monitored when they have all their super pilots log in at the same time (large hammer drops).

They want to be able to log on 60+ supers and drop them w/ out being countered by an equivalent force. This is really really high end risk aversion at it's best. My corp and your corp are pretty insignificant in this whole thing. This isn't about empire war dec watch lists or something you cobble together seconds after you see someone jump into your wh. This is about fleets worth trillions of isk and lobbying to keep them safe.

What you and I do on our small gang wh level is totally insignificant in the watch list discussion.

Let me try again, what Intel does a killboard provide, if I do not leave a trail of bodies behind me and how timely is that information?

And aside from that, is a killboard provide only snapshot Intel. From the moment it pops up, it begins to decay in value until it sometimes expires from relevance. It will not self-update with new or changing indicators (unless CREST is fubar).

Does a watchlist have those limitations? No. It is 100% accurate, 100% of the time and is bad along similar lines to local channels. There is no ambiguity, no interpretation, no possibility of interference or false-positives, no fun. Just buttons and bacon.

and what info does watchlists ALONE provide? - Maybe just enough incentive not to take a fight ?

I think the watch list is working as intended. I believe that it was mentioned before that it's called a watch list, not a friends list, for a reason. It seems clear to me that it was designed for real-time intelligence. It also seems silly to me that a Titan pilot would be brought down by something as petty as the watch list. If you, your corp, or your alliance are willing to invest Brazilians of ISK creating a space paperweight, it seems to me that said pilot, corp, or alliance should be responsible enough to provide sufficient security for that Titan when it goes online. Kinda going back to the whole "don't fly it if you can't afford to replace it" thing, only in a larger context.

Then again, I'm not a Titan pilot, nor do I know much about Titans, so maybe my thoughts on this matter are lacking a lot of depth. Even so, it still just seems odd to me that something as valuable as a Titan would be left so cripplingly vulnerable to something like the watch list. Aren't there much larger, much more capable threats?

and that's a part of EVE. not just the power you possess, in the sense of pilots and ship assets, but the perceived power the enemy thinks you have. This is a viable tactic, and shouldn't be nerfed.

To be honest, I'm on the side that wants to avoid fights. This is my prospective, I don't care if others oppose it. If FCs were so risk adverse about fighting a corp with 20 supers, then they wouldn't fight to start. Even with Watchlists the way they are now, fights happen. Even with large Coalitions around, they still get jumped. You assume that nerfing watchlists will be the magic bullet that solves the problem, but it won't, people will still turn tail and run when things go south.