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Who are the Good Guys in EVE?
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#41 - 2015-10-07 23:44:47 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

A possible place to start on your quest to identify good* people might be to hang out in the 'anti-ganking' chat channel. Rumor has it a lot of white knights hang out there.

(*Good in the sense of Lawful-Good alignment on the Gary Gygax AD&D scale of character morality, not in terms of actual capability or skill.)

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I would not call them LG at all.

The actual action of defending a gank target is LG in principle but the actions of Anti-Ganking are more like http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KnightTemplar .

Quoting a relevant part:

"It's important to note that despite being villains/villainous within the context of the story, Knights Templar believe fully that they are on the side of righteousness and draw strength from that, and that their opponents are not. Trying to reason with one isn't much good either, because many Knight Templar types believe that if you're not with them, you're against them. Invoking actual goodness and decency will have no effect, save for making Knights Templar demonize your cause as the work of the Devil. After all, they are certain that their own cause is just and noble, and anyone who stands in the way is a deluded fool at best and another guilty soul to be "cleansed" or evildoer to be killed at worst, and doing so is not even Dirty Business (except, sometimes, for how much it makes them suffer, having to hand out all this justice)

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#42 - 2015-10-08 12:58:34 UTC
Considering that anti-gankers are often hate filled, paranoid anti-social nutcases I think it's pretty difficult to describe them as being lawful good.

Don't confuse self-righteousness for actual righteousness.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#43 - 2015-10-08 13:19:04 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Considering that anti-gankers are often hate filled, paranoid anti-social nutcases I think it's pretty difficult to describe them as being lawful good.

Don't confuse self-righteousness for actual righteousness.

This is true, they're well known for it.

It's the main reason you don't see organised groups of them , no one likes working with them.

There are exceptions obviously ,
I don't mean to tar them all with the one brush but my experience with most people identifying as ag has been fairly loathsome and vial.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#44 - 2015-10-08 15:36:15 UTC
Lawful-good still seems best fit from the available measures though. By that I don't evaluate the quality or manner in which they subscribe to 'law' and 'good', but their underpinning righteousness seems sourced in that quadrant of the holy AD&D alignment matrix.

Consider...

"Law implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include closed-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should."

Where even with their pompous and self-righteous attitudes they can still fall within the 'lawful' zone, while still being d1ckheads.

Let us also consider the morality rating...

"Good implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others."

Now it can be argued that they actually straddle the line with neutral, and are in fact Lawful-Neutral, because in the above means-test while they subscribe to preserving the lives of freighter pilots and their dignity, there is no evidence of personal sacrifice in pursuing same.

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Would you like to know more?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#45 - 2015-10-08 16:03:09 UTC
I think many of them are too dishonest about their intent, motivations and levels of conviction to be called lawful or good.

Even if you take a really rigid definition of lawful, wherein it means adherence to the actual law of the land then you can grant them lawful.

But good is way out, they're neutral at best and some of them are probably evil.

Not that dnd alignment makes a lick of sense.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2015-10-08 18:10:01 UTC
Wait, if anti-gankers are lawful good, then that would make us...

Hans, are we the baddies?

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-10-08 18:13:34 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Wait, if anti-gankers are lawful good, then that would make us...

Hans, are we the baddies?


Lawful Chaotic Neutral.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-10-09 04:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: William Ruben
Memphis Baas wrote:
Your corp is the good guys, everyone else is the bad guys.

Even the Goons, if you actually join them and are decent at the game, turn out to be very nice, normal people, who will have your back. Being a game, corps and alliances fight each other because it's fun, not because of economics, moral or religious issues, or whatever. So, I mean, technically there is no "evil"; just actions that the game allows, and actions that the game does not allow.

Thus, your circle of friends / corp / alliance is the good guys, everyone else is the bad guys.

Nonsense, goons are notoriously bad at this game. Believe me, being "decent at the game" certainly isn't a criterion for joining us.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2015-10-10 00:56:41 UTC
i'm one of the goodiest guy in game.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2015-10-11 13:20:28 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Yesterday I found a newbro struggling to kill a mordu's frigate rat in a belt. I killed the newbro and took the loot from the rat. It turned out to be worth 100+ mil. Am I bad?

The newbro had such a good attitude about it that I gave him a quarter of the loot (more than 25x the cost of his ship!) and gave him some fitting tips. Am I good?

Big smile

good? bad? how about naughty? do you feel like you need a spanking for that? Sometimes I'm naughty just so that I can get a good spanking. Is a good spanking bad? Do I have to be bad to get a good spanking?

Oh I'm sorry this is new character Q&A and did mean to get all fifty shades of gray on ya.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli
Kinroi Alari
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#51 - 2015-10-12 20:45:57 UTC
BirdStrike wrote:
There is only one.
Chribba.


Beat me to it. Pirate
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#52 - 2015-10-12 22:17:07 UTC
Haha, this thread is funny... Big smile

But seriously now.. everyone knows we are the good guys since we enforce the law of Highsec. All the good things you hear about us, they are actually true!

Evil RatKid
Memphis Baas
#53 - 2015-10-13 00:49:49 UTC
Nobody can hear anything good about you in space, duh. It's vacuum.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#54 - 2015-10-13 09:00:59 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Nobody can hear anything good about you in space, duh. It's vacuum.

So why do I hear the carebears cry then anyway?

Evil RatKid
Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#55 - 2015-10-13 12:45:49 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
Nobody can hear anything good about you in space, duh. It's vacuum.

So why do I hear the carebears cry then anyway?


It's one of the many superpowers given to those who are strong in the Code.

everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Garett Rootarian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-11-01 08:04:26 UTC
Kitty Qiao wrote:
I've done some reading about corps and alliances in EVE and their history and am left wondering. Who would you all say are the good guys in the current game today? Is their a strong corp/alliance that is in opposition to The Imperium/CODE/Goons etc? If the for mentioned corp/alliances are not seen by the general player base as the bad guys in the game then what are they or who is?



Simple if their red or orange their evil. If they are blue or light blue they are good. no color citizens their canon fodder. By the way the Imperium is a state of mind on the good side check your good guy/bad guy chart.

We've had cloning in the South for years. It's called cousins. Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2015-11-01 09:22:46 UTC
Garett Rootarian wrote:
Kitty Qiao wrote:
I've done some reading about corps and alliances in EVE and their history and am left wondering. Who would you all say are the good guys in the current game today? Is their a strong corp/alliance that is in opposition to The Imperium/CODE/Goons etc? If the for mentioned corp/alliances are not seen by the general player base as the bad guys in the game then what are they or who is?



Simple if they're red or orange they're evil. If they are blue or light blue they are good. no color citizens their canon fodder. By the way the Imperium is a state of mind on the good side check your good guy/bad guy chart.


fixed that for you.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2015-11-01 23:01:02 UTC
If you really want to pursue the pre 3.5 D&D aligments in EVE thing, then gankers for just the lols are Chaotic Neutral, gankers for tears are Chaotic Evil and CODE is Lawful Neutral .
Avvy
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-11-03 11:54:48 UTC
BirdStrike wrote:
There is only one.

Chribba.




Not true, although probably the most well known one.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#60 - 2015-11-03 16:28:17 UTC
This thread reminds me of Grosse Point Blank:

Kevin McCullers: Man, why don't we just do his job, so we can do our job and get the **** out of here?
Steve: What do you mean, "do his job?" What am I, a cold-blooded killer? I'm not a cold-blooded killer.
Kevin McCullers: Now, wait a minute...
Steve: No, you wait a minute. You want to kill the good guy but not be the bad guy. Doesn't work like that. You have to wait until the bad guy kills the good guy, then when you kill the bad guy, you're the good guy.
Kevin McCullers: So - just to clarify - if we do his job we're the bad guys, and if we do our job we're the good guys.
Steve: Yes.
Kevin McCullers: That's... great.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.