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Making the Nestor a bit more interesting.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-10-30 14:22:52 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
When folks feel obligated to start messing with things the don't use to improve them - yeah I get snarky.


Fair enough.

However, to be fair on my end, I can only make a basis on what I'm involved with.
In WH space the ship may perform quite well, but outside of WH space I don't ever see it being used.

That said, I suppose WH space can have at least one ship that's basically just for them.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#22 - 2015-10-30 15:32:09 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
When folks feel obligated to start messing with things the don't use to improve them - yeah I get snarky.


Fair enough.

However, to be fair on my end, I can only make a basis on what I'm involved with.
In WH space the ship may perform quite well, but outside of WH space I don't ever see it being used.

That said, I suppose WH space can have at least one ship that's basically just for them.



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Valacus
Streets of Fire
#23 - 2015-10-30 19:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Valacus
Serendipity Lost wrote:
It's a great ship that does amazing things. It's fine, leave it alone.

Let me bottom line it for you: When Navy Caracals start landing on grid the FC giggles and keeps fighting. When Nestors start landing on grid the FC has to do a gut check and decide to primary them or gtfo. That's telling me the ship is perfectly fine.

I'll give you that my response is snarky, but it's also true and valid. If someones feelings are all ouchy based on my wording... I'll sleep ok tonight.

This whole thread is akin to someone finding a bomblike thing with a digital timer set to AB:5*:3Q with characters counting down on it. You're not really sure exactly what it is, how it works or what it's even doing, but you decide to get out your Webelo tool set and start changing stuff around anyway. When folks feel obligated to start messing with things the don't use to improve them - yeah I get snarky.


That's not an argument. You always have to do a gut check when you see a 1bil ISK ship show up on grid, because odds are high it could be bait. That doesn't make the ship good. Not by a long shot. That makes it suspicious.

afkalt wrote:

No subcap reps harder.

It sees very common use on blinged out hotdrops.


So what if no other sub cap "reps harder". It costs a bil just for the hull. You may as well bring a carrier and rep even harder.

Blinged out hot drops? You mean a situation where you are positive you're going to win anyways, so you can bring just about anything you choose? Oh yes, that totally makes the ship good. It might get used in a fight where odds of victory are completely assured. By that extension, the Hel and the Nidhogger are fine too. They win every one sided fight where they're on the one side. AOK, move along to balance something else.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-10-31 01:45:04 UTC
Confirming Hel and Nidhoggur are both quite capable ships as well. They are not an Aeon or Archon though. People try to force them to be.

A Nestor is Not a blops, nor is it a logi, nor a typical battleship. Trying to force it to be something it is not will not give a positive result. As a Nestor, it is a great ship.

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The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-10-31 06:19:00 UTC
Make it black ops, and it's fixed and has a unique role, especially if BlackOps are going to get the nerf stick sometime Soon™. DONE.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-10-31 12:14:57 UTC
The Hamilton wrote:
Make it black ops, and it's fixed and has a unique role, especially if BlackOps are going to get the nerf stick sometime Soon™. DONE.


Apologies in advance for thread derailment, but why would Blackops get nerfed? I've not flown them myself, and probably won't ever, but everything I've heard is that they're balanced.

Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-10-31 13:08:00 UTC
Valacus wrote:

afkalt wrote:

No subcap reps harder.

It sees very common use on blinged out hotdrops.


So what if no other sub cap "reps harder". It costs a bil just for the hull. You may as well bring a carrier and rep even harder.

Blinged out hot drops? You mean a situation where you are positive you're going to win anyways, so you can bring just about anything you choose? Oh yes, that totally makes the ship good. It might get used in a fight where odds of victory are completely assured. By that extension, the Hel and the Nidhogger are fine too. They win every one sided fight where they're on the one side. AOK, move along to balance something else.





BRB, jumping my archon into Jita. Oh. Wait.

Also confirming that no hotdrop ever has preparation for a counter drop.
Valacus
Streets of Fire
#28 - 2015-10-31 23:39:23 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Valacus wrote:

afkalt wrote:

No subcap reps harder.

It sees very common use on blinged out hotdrops.


So what if no other sub cap "reps harder". It costs a bil just for the hull. You may as well bring a carrier and rep even harder.

Blinged out hot drops? You mean a situation where you are positive you're going to win anyways, so you can bring just about anything you choose? Oh yes, that totally makes the ship good. It might get used in a fight where odds of victory are completely assured. By that extension, the Hel and the Nidhogger are fine too. They win every one sided fight where they're on the one side. AOK, move along to balance something else.





BRB, jumping my archon into Jita. Oh. Wait.

Also confirming that no hotdrop ever has preparation for a counter drop.


You can't jump portal into Jita either. Your arguments just make less and less sense.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-10-31 23:49:53 UTC
Valacus wrote:


You can't jump portal into Jita either. Your arguments just make less and less sense.


I think that's his point.
IE, capitals can't go into HS and nothing in HS reps harder than the Nestor.

However, I'm not entirely sure where he was going with that argument, as far as countering anything he was quoting...
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-11-01 18:11:43 UTC
I like this idea. The Nestor is a pricey niche ship, so I'm okay with it being able to launch ten drones. I'd like to see a lot more ships have reduced drone bays, mostly non-drone-boat ships that don't need to be launching five drones. That way every time I hear people beg to fly a ship that can launch more drones, I'll just tell them to fly a Nestor.

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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-11-01 18:34:45 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I like this idea. The Nestor is a pricey niche ship, so I'm okay with it being able to launch ten drones. I'd like to see a lot more ships have reduced drone bays, mostly non-drone-boat ships that don't need to be launching five drones. That way every time I hear people beg to fly a ship that can launch more drones, I'll just tell them to fly a Nestor.



That was basically my mentality.
As long as there's not a heavy drone boat in the sub-cap fleet, there's always going to be requests for one.

My only other suggestion would to be to create another t2 BS class for all the races, using the meta 3 hulls.
If that happened, they would have drone bonuses specific to racial drones.
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