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ECM needs a rebalance

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Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#1 - 2015-11-01 06:39:22 UTC
I was in a fleet fight tonight, where I was flying a basilisk with a sensor strength of 144, and was fighting against a fleet that brought jamgus, outside their optimals, that were basically able to permajam me. How is this even reasonably balanced? A jamgu might have an effective jam amount of 10 or so, which would mean that 10/144 is around a 7% chance of jamming me. However he managed to permajam me (failed 1 jam cycle in 3 minutes), in the ECM's falloff range. How is this reasonable?

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

Zetakya
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-11-01 11:08:48 UTC
If he's that far away, why didn't your gang damp his range?
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-11-01 11:12:46 UTC
Zetakya wrote:
If he's that far away, why didn't your gang damp his range?


because they are stupid and they whine to nerf everything....
Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#4 - 2015-11-01 13:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonn Duune
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Zetakya wrote:
If he's that far away, why didn't your gang damp his range?


because they are stupid and they whine to nerf everything....



I have no problem with ECM being effective, what I have a problem is ecm that's supposed to be effective 10% of the time working 90% of the time.

An equivalent situation was if someone put 1 damp on you, and your targeting range went from 100km to 15km. Its the level of the effectiveness I have a problem.

144 sensor strength is bloody crazy, and if that can still be hit with major effectiveness when a tengu has a jam strength of 6.75 (no bonus mods, level 5 skills, on an armour jamgu you aren't going to bonus the ecm). Or if it's a shield jamgu, it's got a jam strength of 8.8 (this is with 4 signal distortion amp IIs...so extreme cases here).

The simple formula is that a jam applies based on its strength divided by it's target's sensor strength so:

6.75/144 (0.047)

or

8.8/144 (0.061)

As a percentage based chance, that's 4.7% or 6.1%, so i'll say that the jamgu has 5 jams on you with the higher percentage.

That equates to what should be a 27% chance to jam you every cycle of the jams ( formula: (1-0.061)^5)

When in a 3 minute fight, with a 20 second cycle time, that's 9 cycles. That would mean statistically somewhere between 2 and 3 of those cycles (with all 5 jammers mind you) should be successful. Out of 9. In that 3 minutes, I had 1 cycle where I wasn't jammed. That equates to an 89% chance of being jammed.

Hell, lets go to the next level, and say 3 jamgus are targetting me, that's 15 jammers (assuming all racially fit for me), that's still a 40% chance of not being jammed. So in that 9 cycle time, I shouldn't have been jammed for 3 or 4 cycles. Being up for 1 cycle falls on the EXTREME end of it.

If this were a 1 time occurance, I wouldn't complain, but it's a consistent occurance that jams are operating in the 90%+ extreme range of effectiveness.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

ISD Buldath
#5 - 2015-11-01 14:49:26 UTC
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