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Evasive Shadow Assassin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-10-31 23:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Evasive Shadow Assassin
Hello

So iv'e been playing for a little over a week now. So far, I'm not impressed and am seriously considering not extending my trial. My reasons are below.

1. Starting skills are rubbish, I can still fly very little.
2. I fitted a probe with modules, went exploring, I make VERY little money in any data/relic site.
3. I literally after doing the tutorial still have virtually no idea what I'm doing.
4. Ship/modules cost far to much money. What I make from exploring/level 1,2 missions does not cover getting skills and getting new ships to do things when you die.
5. The NPC corp for me was horrible, asking questions got horrible answers or simply, i was insulted non stop.

There is literally no reason for me to keep playing, I do not make hardly any ISK for my skill level and i cannot afford to upgrade items etc.

CCP, you need to fix your game.

P.S Updated

I don't play WoW, never have, Never will, i dislike any mmo like that :)
Bobb Bobbington
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#2 - 2015-10-31 23:50:02 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Hello

So iv'e been playing for a little over a week now. So far, I'm not impressed and am seriously considering not extending my trial. My reasons are below.

1. Starting skills are rubbish, I can still fly very little.
2. I fitted a probe with modules, went exploring, I make VERY little money in any data/relic site.
3. I literally after doing the tutorial still have virtually no idea what I'm doing.
4. Ship/modules cost far to much money. What I make from exploring/level 1,2 missions does not cover getting skills and getting new ships to do things when you die.
5. The NPC corp for me was horrible, asking questions got horrible answers or simply, i was insulted non stop.

There is literally no reason for me to keep playing, I do not make hardly any ISK for my skill level and i cannot afford to upgrade items etc.

CCP, you need to fix your game.


1. Too bad, the whole point of Eve is overcoming obstacles
2. Get out of highsec. Go to nullsec or wormhole space.
3. This is a sandbox. Make your own goals. Mine is leet pvp.
4. Most ships/modules are relatively cheap. With only 3 billion and low ish income I can reasonably lose T2 module fit cruisers and a few battlecruisers when I feel like it.
5. Join a corp. Ask for help. I'd invite you to mine, but I'm afraid it's only me right now.

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You have been spooked by the spooky scary skeleton. Copy + Paste to another thread or you will get spooked tomorrow.

This is a signature.

It has a 25m signature.

No it's not a cosmic signature.

Probably.

Btw my corp's recruiting.

Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#3 - 2015-11-01 00:02:31 UTC
Sounds like you have come in with a crappy attitude and so you will not get the help you are wanting. Fix your attitude instead of telling CCP to fix their game and you may get somewhere. So that is the first piece of advice for you.

Secondly, it sounds like the problem you are not making enough ISK; can I ask what exactly do you want that ISK for?

Eve isn't a game like others where you need to grind loads of ISK, you can actually do a lot with cheaper ships and modules if you know what you are doing. So the first thing is to set yourself some short term goals and work towards them.
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#4 - 2015-11-01 00:11:28 UTC
Nothing was lost.

The reality is people like the OP will always be sheep in need of a shepherd.

Concord Approved Trader

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2015-11-01 00:25:08 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
1. Starting skills are rubbish, I can still fly very little.

The idea is that you are supposed to overcome your "problems" finding workarounds and being enterprising.

The biggest workaround is teaming up with other players. And the way to be very enterprising is to socialize with others.

And sure... you may not be able to fly that sexy interceptor... but the Tech 1 stuff you have access to can be fit to do similar things. This way you gain experience in doing what you want to and better focus your interests.

Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
2. I fitted a probe with modules, went exploring, I make VERY little money in any data/relic site.

Like the poster above me said; get out of high-sec.

But I'll also add that the more remote areas of high-sec with smaller populations tend to have more stuff to find and pilfer through.

Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
3. I literally after doing the tutorial still have virtually no idea what I'm doing.

Hi. I have been playing the game since 2009. I have no idea what I am doing either. P

But I know what I LIKE doing. And I try to do things that allow or enhance my ability to do what I like doing.

Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
4. Ship/modules cost far to much money. What I make from exploring/level 1,2 missions does not cover getting skills and getting new ships to do things when you die.

A frigate costs half a million ISK. Fitting that frigate up with basic (or prototype) mods should cost about the same. That's 1 million ISK right there.

Then get the best insurance. Now, if it explodes, you'll get back 80% of the value of the hull.

Alternatively, team up with an older player and be a sugar baby. That older player, if he/she likes you enough, will give you a STACK of frigates for free.
There is no shame in whoring a little. We have all done it at some point in our gaming careers and if it helps us achieve our goals... who really cares? The ends justifies the means here.

Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
5. The NPC corp for me was horrible, asking questions got horrible answers or simply, i was insulted non stop.

Yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhh.... leave the NPC corp. It is by and large full of tardos in there.

Find a player corporation that is more in-line with your interests.




Basically... get creative.
I have seen people making ISK by selling digital artwork to various groups in the game. Or singing for groups on Teamspeak. Or by playing scout. Or tagging along on expeditions. etc. etc.

As long as you have the mentality of "this difficulty is a challenge, let's see how far I can get before falling" and keep using it... you will succeed in EVE.
Marsha Mallow
#6 - 2015-11-01 00:25:36 UTC
It can be very difficult the first few weeks/months of play, and I remember being just as frustrated/lost as you at first. These 'fix your game' topics from new players on GD get shredded though, because it just looks like petulant ranting.

See here for a New Citizens area with people posting who want to help new people settle in. If you have specific problems, ask for help there and you will get it.

Your corp looks quite small at the moment. It might be worth looking at some of the bigger, dedicated new player corps/alliances - they have a lot of experienced players, forums, help with skills/ships and fittings etc. Look up EvE-University, KarmaFleet, Brave, Pandemic Horde, Signal Cartel.

Just to answer your points:
1. This is an ongoing discussion topic and starter SP keeps being tweaked to find the right level of starter skills. It's not an unreasonable remark.
2. Highsec sites aren't worth much. You need to go further afield to make more, but accept you might die a few times in the attempt whilst you learn how to do it.
3. I didn't even finish the tutorial first time, think I rage biomassed. Find something you want to learn then go look for resources. There are plenty of blogs, youtube vids, dedicated guides - especially for exploration which is a bit tricky.
4. Gets easier over time. Don't look at the pricey stuff, stick within your current price range. Meta modules have some really good stats and the difference on them (as with skillpoints) operates under a system of diminishing returns.
5. Yeh, NPC corps are poisonous at times. The ingame 'Help' channel has a better mix. If people are snapping it might be because they think you have a bit of an attitude. Doesn't mean they don't want to help. Ask questions rather than getting annoyed. Sometimes people will tell you to go find out for yourself because it's an obvious question and better to encourage people to find out than spoonfeed.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

GinBar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-11-01 00:28:35 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Hello

So iv'e been playing for a little over a week now. So far, I'm not impressed and am seriously considering not extending my trial. My reasons are below.

1. Starting skills are rubbish, I can still fly very little.
2. I fitted a probe with modules, went exploring, I make VERY little money in any data/relic site.
3. I literally after doing the tutorial still have virtually no idea what I'm doing.
4. Ship/modules cost far to much money. What I make from exploring/level 1,2 missions does not cover getting skills and getting new ships to do things when you die.
5. The NPC corp for me was horrible, asking questions got horrible answers or simply, i was insulted non stop.

There is literally no reason for me to keep playing, I do not make hardly any ISK for my skill level and i cannot afford to upgrade items etc.

CCP, you need to fix your game.



i ll bite

1. In single week you figured it out how many ships are in eve ? no not rly
2. in single week you know what are data/relic sites and you know what is good ISK ?
3. in single week you done all toutorials, no freaking way
4. in single week you figured it out that modules are overpriced, if you done all tutorials you'd have more then enough skills book and ships and modules for lvl1 and lvl2 missions. And again in single week you managed to do all tutorials, did relic and data sites, nabbed into lvl1 and lvl2 missions.
5. simple not true...

Try better next time...
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-11-01 00:32:58 UTC
Yay, another "CCP you better 'fix' the game by giving up more/free SP" alt post.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-11-01 00:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
supplying your own ships should be the least of your problems.

Join a good corp that supplies cheap t1 frigates.

I know you're thinking to yourself:

But I want to be self-sufficient! I want to provide for myself and pave my own way!

Kid. . . . We're super rich. We've (not really me, more like THEY but I'm saying WE to convey the point) been playing this game for years. We have more isk and resources than we know what to do with.

We WANT to shower you with ships. We WANT to provide the opportunity for experiences that you'll want to tell others. Making the ships, collecting the isk and the resources, that's been the easy part. The hard part is finding the people we need to accomplish our tasks. That's where you come in. All you need to do is explain what it is what you want to do, and let us provide you the opportunity to do it. You demonstrate a willingness to learn and not suffer an emotional breakdown at the drop of a hat and you'll earn your right to continue receiving the benefit of our good will because it's mutually beneficial.

You get what you want, free ships to learn and play in; and we get what we want, people to assist us in the accomplishment of our goals.

Just take a step back, realize this isn't your every day MMO and let us help you help us.

It'll work out, you just have to swallow your pride and pledge allegiance to divine entervention
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#10 - 2015-11-01 00:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Hello

So iv'e been playing for a little over a week now. So far, I'm not impressed and am seriously considering not extending my trial. My reasons are below.

1. Starting skills are rubbish, I can still fly very little.
2. I fitted a probe with modules, went exploring, I make VERY little money in any data/relic site.
3. I literally after doing the tutorial still have virtually no idea what I'm doing.
4. Ship/modules cost far to much money. What I make from exploring/level 1,2 missions does not cover getting skills and getting new ships to do things when you die.
5. The NPC corp for me was horrible, asking questions got horrible answers or simply, i was insulted non stop.

There is literally no reason for me to keep playing, I do not make hardly any ISK for my skill level and i cannot afford to upgrade items etc.

CCP, you need to fix your game.


So. This is what CCP are trying so hard to "retain"....................
PsiMin
Ranger Industries
The Rogue Consortium
#11 - 2015-11-01 00:38:09 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Hello

So iv'e been playing for a little over a week now. So far, I'm not impressed and am seriously considering not extending my trial. My reasons are below.

1. Starting skills are rubbish, I can still fly very little.
2. I fitted a probe with modules, went exploring, I make VERY little money in any data/relic site.
3. I literally after doing the tutorial still have virtually no idea what I'm doing.
4. Ship/modules cost far to much money. What I make from exploring/level 1,2 missions does not cover getting skills and getting new ships to do things when you die.
5. The NPC corp for me was horrible, asking questions got horrible answers or simply, i was insulted non stop.

There is literally no reason for me to keep playing, I do not make hardly any ISK for my skill level and i cannot afford to upgrade items etc.

CCP, you need to fix your game.




1) learn the game and choose your skills, don't run until you can walk
2) do the tutorial missions, agent missions, you make lots of isk
3) do them again, Eve takes time to learn
4) frigs, cruisers don't cost much, try using them
5) join Eve University or some other corp then
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#12 - 2015-11-01 00:44:39 UTC
hmm did they lift the restriction on trial accounts only being able to post it new citizens?

well lets try and address your points. If you are interested in learning more rather than just complaining the forums can be a very good resource. However if you are just going to complain most forum goers aren't going to take the time to give you a quality response.

1. that is true, however everyone starts with pretty much the same skills. CCP even just boosted starting skills.
2. highsec data/relic sites typically aren't very good. I think they are mostly just there to give people a chance to learn the mechanics. Most players focus on combat sites, or go to nullsec or wormholes for the data/relic sites. Also data sites are known to be not as valuable, and CCP is looking at making some changes to data sites.
3. so maybe time to try and learn some more than just complaining about stuff. knowing you know nothing is usually a good place to start learning. There are many many resources to learn more.
4. When I was new I focused on lv1 and then lv2 missions, I thought I made enough for where I was in game. Yes there are a lot of bigger and shinier ships, but you will get there in time. also the career agents hand out a bunch of small ships.
5. can't really speak for any of the NPC corps, I've spent almost no time in them.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Leeluvv
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-11-01 01:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Leeluvv
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Hello

So iv'e been playing for a little over a week now. So far, I'm not impressed and am seriously considering not extending my trial. My reasons are below.

1. Starting skills are rubbish, I can still fly very little.
2. I fitted a probe with modules, went exploring, I make VERY little money in any data/relic site.
3. I literally after doing the tutorial still have virtually no idea what I'm doing.
4. Ship/modules cost far to much money. What I make from exploring/level 1,2 missions does not cover getting skills and getting new ships to do things when you die.
5. The NPC corp for me was horrible, asking questions got horrible answers or simply, i was insulted non stop.

There is literally no reason for me to keep playing, I do not make hardly any ISK for my skill level and i cannot afford to upgrade items etc.

CCP, you need to fix your game.


My brother started playing Eve and had made 7 Billion ISK after 2 months with no help from anyone. This game doesn't hand you anything on a plate, but will reward you for effort. It also isn't a solo game, it is an MMO where you are actually expected to interact with the other players.


tl/dr: The issue isn't with the game.
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-11-01 01:19:22 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
So iv'e been playing for a little over a week now.


...Then you have a longggggggggggg way to go.

Been around since the beginning.

Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#15 - 2015-11-01 01:27:03 UTC
1: That's not too bad, because you will wreck a lot of ships learning to fly them. It just happens, not a lot to do about it.
2: A lot of those sites you scan down are called "Wormhole." There are shiny things on the other side, but they are dangerous.
3: This is a sandbox game. Do what you want, try things until you find something you like. You can Google around for "How do I?" type of things, but then you don't get to work out the details yourself. Playing with stuff is fun, and kind of the point of games. This one is very different from those "interactive movie" themepark games.
4: One thing everyone needs is a way to make kredits. You can mine (yawn), mission (slightly less yawn), clean up after other peoples' high-end missions (lots of scrapmetal), reprocess ore, play market games, build and sell stuff. And there's always mercenary-type stuff if you can convince someone to hire you.
5: Some NPC corps are better than others.

A signature :o

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-11-01 01:30:52 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
hmm did they lift the restriction on trial accounts only being able to post it new citizens?

Nope.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2015-11-01 01:34:50 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
hmm did they lift the restriction on trial accounts only being able to post it new citizens?

Nope.

so I guess someone "extended" their trial account

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Marsha Mallow
#18 - 2015-11-01 01:36:28 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
hmm did they lift the restriction on trial accounts only being able to post it new citizens?
Nope.

Bear in mind some of the new account packs aren't actually trials. They're already subbed and just haven't twigged their account package is different. Having said that, topics like this are interesting partly to see how people respond to the remarks. As long as no-one goes mental, even as a troll topic it's not a waste of time for the lurkers who might ask these questions but don't dare post.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-11-01 01:50:47 UTC
The 2 week cerebral accelerator that is only applicable for the first 14(at least I think it's 14) days is a rather large incentive towards upgrading your trial to a paid account on day one.
Aoife Fraoch
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-11-01 02:21:56 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Hello

So iv'e been playing for a little over a week now. So far, I'm not impressed and am seriously considering not extending my trial. My reasons are below.

1. Starting skills are rubbish, I can still fly very little.
2. I fitted a probe with modules, went exploring, I make VERY little money in any data/relic site.
3. I literally after doing the tutorial still have virtually no idea what I'm doing.
4. Ship/modules cost far to much money. What I make from exploring/level 1,2 missions does not cover getting skills and getting new ships to do things when you die.
5. The NPC corp for me was horrible, asking questions got horrible answers or simply, i was insulted non stop.

There is literally no reason for me to keep playing, I do not make hardly any ISK for my skill level and i cannot afford to upgrade items etc.

CCP, you need to fix your game.


Join a good corp and finish the tutorials. By the end of those you should have a range of racial frigates to play with and a reasonable seed fund to start with.

Otherwise what pretty much everyone else here said, but to address your points in ways that have not already been done to death:

1. Not really the point, (see above for more detail)
2. High sec tends to have poor rewards, you might make more off of stealing tags in COSMOS sites and selling them on contract than high sec exploration. Don't forget, if high sec sites were better they would just be farmed to death by older players anyway.
3. I do hope you meant tutorials (plural). They only cover the basic mechanics, the most important part of the game are the parts that involve people, and that you learn in groups.
4. Not really and it is all relative, (see above for more detail)
5. Most of them are with some exceptions. There are some null sec options like Karma Fleet and Pandemic Horde which are new player friendly with more experienced players to ask questions of.


TL;DR, the game isn't the problem here.
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