Intergalactic Summit

A few comments.

In the first case, considering Kim a representation of all Caldari is not the best decision. She is, really, a reminder of the Provist thinking we've since purged from the State.

In the second case, on the matter of Nouvelle Rouvenor, it's important to note that the Gallente had already decided on collective punishment of the Caldari in the form of a planetary blockade. One could easily contend that the moment the conflict went from a matter of authority and taxation to a matter of ethnic subjugation is the moment that war became unavoidable.

That said, the matter of 'who started it' is a frequent topic here, and obviously we're going to disagree; even when moderate statements on shared fault are made, after all, the matter of the pivotal moment still ends up being debated.

Let's focus on the present and future instead.

You'd find that people exhibit lack of those traits towards others. Others being, anyone who is not them, or part of their immediate social surrounding. People are vicious animals.

Way to jinx it!

I'd like to remind everyone that Makoto Priano has no say in questions about Caldari.
She has displayed herself a honorless liar, who shouldn't be considered Caldari anymore.
( Details, explanations and facts can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 )

Impressive, Kim! Mind, despite thirteen references to that thread since its inception, 'proof by assertion' is still commonly regarded as a logical fallacy.

In any case, pilots, you know perfectly well my opinion on this madwoman.

I would say the fault lies with Luc Duvailer and the institutional flaws in the distribution of political power within the Federal Senate and colonial charter at the time leading up to the Caldari secession that permitted vested economic interests to seize power through the U-nats due to an imbalance of representation of Gallentean member-states vis-a-vis Caldari member-states in the direct appointment system to the Senate used at the time.

I would say it was well known that the Caldari had defined their cultural and political identity around the Megacorporations that had founded their colonies and had not adopted democratic governance due to it being fundamentally incompatible with the Caldari ethical and moral mindset and worldview. As such, it is quite obvious that the resort to political coercion by the Duvailer Regime had its basis in an attempt to break the power of Caldari economic strength, and yes, once force was used it made diplomacy or compromise on the issues surrounding the Caldari Megacorporate Question an impossibility to resolve.

For myself, the Caldari secession was a fault and mistake on the part of the Federation at the time, and an instructive example of the phrase, "A war is easy to start but difficult to stop."

If it was not seen as a mistake, and a grievous error made possible due to systemic flaws in the Federal structure then I do not believe it would have lead to the Yiona Reforms and the Further Federation Act to redistrubute political power more effectively between member-states and their now former colonies; the creation of the Federal constitution; the non-interference in the traditional Jin-Mei caste system; the establishment of the constitutional and charter opt-out system for member states; and the creation of the Federal Franchise system to strengthen the inter-relationship between private corporations and the member-states they do business with.

Those are just a few of the examples I would cite as a direct result and consequence of the recognition that the Caldari secession was a mistake on the part of the Federation, and the lessons learned from the past that inform present and future political, social, and economic direction.

I understand the modern Caldari cultural narrative places great importance on the mythos of Federal oppression, exile, and eventual return. I will not lie that it does have some basis in historical fact. I equally accept that countering that particular cultural narrative in public at present would be cause for a personal loss of face and shame for any Caldari that was not Mathias Sobaseki himself, if not even then.

However, I do believe there are those in the State that recognize that in the past two hundred years the Federation has changed significantly and continuously adapted its extrinsic political, social, and economic structures to a point it would be unrecognizable from the Federation they had seceded from.

For those Caldari focused on the present and future relationship with the Federation, who recognize that in a State divided between eight separate corporate financial systems, currencies and markets there exists an importance on foreign export trade and investment in order to drive economic growth. There is then the example of Ishukone whose participation in the Federal franchises in Intaki, access to Federal consumer markets, and negotiated stewardship of Caldari Prime has proven most beneficial to its citizens and shareholders when compared to the wider State.

In contrast with Kaalakiota whose policies of stalwart autarky in regards to the Federation appear to have brought it to the brink of insolvency and laden with foreign debts to the Amarr Empire.

I believe if the Federation and State are ever to embark on a path free from conflict then it will have to be a new status quo that is underwritten by free-trade, commerce, and shared economic interests on the basis of mutual respect and tolerance for each others divergent cultural values, traditions, and ideologies. That even when extremists on both sides may seek to use the past as the tools of present incitements to bigotry and blame then mutual economic and political self-interests act as the bulwark against prejudice, stereotype, and confirmation biases.

I don't know what is worse for Ishukone reputation, that they were all the time since YC110 distancing from the rest of the State, or that dishonored liar like you claim to be their citizens...

I haven't lived 200 years ago myself, but I indeed think that it has changed.
Back then the Federation was the ruthless political player, fighting for both cultural and economic dominance by every possible way. And it was Caldari xenophobia, pride and rejection of dissolute gallente customs that stood tall against their attempts of domination. Because of that 200 years ago Caldari were quite racist towards them, which has reflected in the demolition of Nouvelle Rouvenor, when the group of Caldari citizens were desperate enough to destroy the whole gallente city.

Today the situation has changed drastically. We have shown gallente our teeth and they aren't trying to dominate us culturally and economically that openly. Of course, subtle attempts exist, but stalwart Caldari thought cuts it on the root. We don't actually have to be racist to gallente anymore: they live their lives and we live ours. Only thing we need from them - is our homeworld and for them to keep their noses from our business.

But what about the Federation itself? Indeed, they aren't as dominative as they were back then. Instead, they took the racist and racial hatred approach. Their tactics and behavior now lacks logic and won't help their ideals of domination. Compare what they are doing back then and now. Admiral Noir has rammed peace conference Caldari station. Gallente citizens on Caldari Prime beating Caldari, destroying and defacing archeologic, historic and cultural sites. This treatment to Caldari POWs, that can't match even to the most brutal slavery (Nauplius excluded) or treatment of most dangerous criminals. Racial cleaning of Caldari colonies in Black Rise... all these acts don't bring military, cultural or economic dominance, they are results of blind racial hatred against us...

Just because we dared to stand tall and fight back.


I tend to disagree on the topic of Ishukone.
The example of winning developments rights in Intaki shows Ishukone from rather pathetic side. Despite the system could have greater population than other colonies, it was shaken by turmoil, it was the least manageable and profitable system, and their advantages in the system development were dubious: the system looked more like a bottomless money sink.

Negotiation for stewardship of Caldari Prime even further damaged the image of the corporation. Not only they acted again by themselves disregarding all other Caldari corporations, but they made a separate treaty with the enemy, and they have managed to display themselves as weak and coward.


In the current situation it seems impossible. Not talking about mutual respect and tolerance, but we have a war going on.
Amount of hatred and sorrow caused by Federation to Caldari people in these seven years can't be simply forgotten. People will remember Noir, people will remember Caldari Prime occupation attempt by Highlander operation, and of course, millions of former prisoners of war and their families will be telling horrific tales about Federal prison camps. If not already telling, since operations in Black Rise are rather successful and many damaged and tortured people find their way home.

People won't forget that cruel and inhuman treatment... not in nearest hundred or two hundred years. Of course, time heal all the wounds, but this one is very deep. Maybe... somewhere in the next couple thousands of years your idea might come to reality. But not now.

I would consider it an honor.

And what causes you to ask that?