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A kind request for metrics on warfare link use

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Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#141 - 2015-10-25 10:13:51 UTC
It's quite likely to be several ships though (or more in larger fleets) if you read the CSM minutes. So instant deletion may not be a thing.

I disagree with your assessment about numbers affected being so much greater than in solo/vv small pvp. While the engagements you describe involve many pilots they happen less frequently... solo/vv small pvp happens constantly all over new eden. I think you underestimate how many people engage in it. It's not just a tiny cabal of bitter fhc posters.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#142 - 2015-10-25 10:22:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
For many of those hundreds of pilots thats they only content they log on for.

And if solo and small gang is happening all over new eden, then what are we trying to fix? Is the impact on all other types of content, from medium sized gangs to end game content really worth it if the solo/micro gang content is out there already?
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#143 - 2015-10-25 10:33:29 UTC
I only log on for solo, despite links pissing all over it for yrs and have continued to do so and made the best of it, adapted and enjoyed myself. These pilots you speak of will most likely do the same, just as they probably have done during other nerfs/buffs/changes. Times change, so must you.
Anogra
Heisenberg Productions
#144 - 2015-10-26 12:16:36 UTC
or people can just man up and stop OGB. my corp always brings boosts on grid using either a brick tanked Prophecy or damnation (300k ehp damnation with cheap faction mods. imp navy EANM and imp navy plate). iv still not experienced a problem using the on grid vs off-grid, apart from the fact i cant fit 6 links (bring 2 command ships on grid!!!) on one ship.

Mind you this is for small gang warfare (lowsec/wh). In blob null i can see the use for offgrid booster as fleets are so large even brick damnations risk getting alphaed off the field. Also On grid boosters serve as nice distractions. in our recent small fight with chapters. they decided to try my force my brick damnation through a wh with 2 guardians repping it (9 of theirs vs 8 of us). needless to say, they wasted their time and after losing their pilgrim got pushed back into their wh.

In that scenario they wasted precius time trying to force away the boosts, leaving our guardians and rest of the fleet to do whatever they wanted, resulting in an "easy" fight. distract ur enemies ;)

Anogra
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2015-10-26 16:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
so if off grid boosters are making people leave.

what are cloaky scanning t3c's with smartbombs doing?

anogra i see a few too many boosting prophecy losses on ur corp kb
Anogra
Heisenberg Productions
#146 - 2015-10-26 17:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Anogra
prophecy boosters are used for teaching our newbro's combat. a lost fleet will arise more questions and analyze then a victorius fleet, where often newbies either die from mistake or the fight is over before it really starts ;)

Edit: i also see a total of 1 booster prophecy lost, and that was last night ;)
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#147 - 2015-10-26 22:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Bastion Arzi wrote:
so if off grid boosters are making people leave.

what are cloaky scanning t3c's with smartbombs doing?

anogra i see a few too many boosting prophecy losses on ur corp kb


Non of the vocal spergics have anything to lose to protbombers so they dont complain about them. The most expensive things most of them undock is a punisher or kestrel. They dont argue for balance, they argue to make things fair, in their favor.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#148 - 2015-10-27 02:12:20 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I disregard solo pvp for the inconsequential combat that it is.


There's quite an interesting post from Gevlon Goblin in GD analyzing all the kills in EvE of 2014 pulled from z-kill. Read that and tell us all again how inconsequential solo pvp is Lol
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#149 - 2015-10-27 02:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Most of my kills look solo on the killboard. Hardly any of them actually were though and were in fact me vs small and medium sized gangs.

In reality non of them were. Boosts and logisitcs should appear on killmails, im sure that would have an impact on any naive interpretation of kills on the killboard.

Not to mention the top 'solo' pvper was santo trafficante, someone who couldnt solo his way out of a paper bag. And the top corp was in CODE. As much effort as this guy put into parsing the data, it smacks of massive lack of perspective to suggest that its indicative of the state of solo pvp.

Last time i fought santo when he wasnt in a smartbomber, he burnt out his drams prop trying to scram me, then ejected before he was out of shields. Then complained about how garmurs are OP lol.
Madrax573
Doomheim
#150 - 2015-10-27 03:11:29 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Most of my kills look solo on the killboard. Hardly any of them actually were though and were in fact me vs small and medium sized gangs.

In reality non of them were. Boosts and logisitcs should appear on killmails, im sure that would have an impact on any naive interpretation of kills on the killboard.


If they added boosts and logi on kill mails it would at least show the reality of the fight clearer. TBH that's all I have ever wanted.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#151 - 2015-10-29 02:05:43 UTC
Madrax573 wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Most of my kills look solo on the killboard. Hardly any of them actually were though and were in fact me vs small and medium sized gangs.

In reality non of them were. Boosts and logisitcs should appear on killmails, im sure that would have an impact on any naive interpretation of kills on the killboard.


If they added boosts and logi on kill mails it would at least show the reality of the fight clearer. TBH that's all I have ever wanted.



Yeah they should show on KMs.

My booster alt needs his killboard padded too.

PPP
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#152 - 2015-10-29 02:19:05 UTC
Aye, my booster main needs his recognition. Its upsetting that my pvp alt gets all the glory/hate.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2015-10-29 14:18:23 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Aye, my booster main needs his recognition. Its upsetting that my pvp alt gets all the glory/hate.

It's funny cause it's true. Just dump some money into a second account and get insane over powered bonuses in pvp today! People are just butthurt because they chose to fly at a disadvantage lol.
Miller Dahma
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2015-10-30 04:05:33 UTC
Hello

I quit because of the lowsec meta. The haves started to outweigh the have not in terms of links and it's just not my game. I miss that old Eve. I come back once and a while and it's more empty, more elite, .. whatever.

They say there are two kinds of eve players, those that adapt, and those that quit.

I'm with Cearain on this one. OGB is one of my main reasons for quitting.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#155 - 2015-10-30 14:16:29 UTC
Again.....if they showed up on killmails, then people would know who uses them; then they would not engage those people. I'm pretty sure a link user who consistently gets blue-balled would put up his links after a while, and prolly switch to a Falcon alt.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#156 - 2015-10-31 06:17:55 UTC
As much as I agree with changes to links, you don't need them to show on killmails to know who uses them (not that that wouldn't be a welcome change ... it would). I still pvp (when I can be arsed) in the bleaklands and the pilots who have links are pretty obvious, doesn't seem like a reason to quit really.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#157 - 2015-10-31 13:08:45 UTC
Miller Dahma wrote:
Hello

I quit because of the lowsec meta. The haves started to outweigh the have not in terms of links and it's just not my game. I miss that old Eve. I come back once and a while and it's more empty, more elite, .. whatever.

They say there are two kinds of eve players, those that adapt, and those that quit.

I'm with Cearain on this one. OGB is one of my main reasons for quitting.




A 7 day old alt who joined fw yesterday and has already 'quit'.


Poor Effort Cearain - 0.5/10


Please put some effort in next time.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#158 - 2015-10-31 23:29:42 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Miller Dahma wrote:
Hello

I quit because of the lowsec meta. The haves started to outweigh the have not in terms of links and it's just not my game. I miss that old Eve. I come back once and a while and it's more empty, more elite, .. whatever.

They say there are two kinds of eve players, those that adapt, and those that quit.

I'm with Cearain on this one. OGB is one of my main reasons for quitting.




A 7 day old alt who joined fw yesterday and has already 'quit'.


Poor Effort Cearain - 0.5/10


Please put some effort in next time.



I see, you think everyone who says ogb are horrible must be my alt. That way you and crosi can keep saying you never heard of anyone (other than cearain) quitting low sec pvp due to ogb.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Madrax573
Doomheim
#159 - 2015-11-01 12:56:45 UTC
If anyone actually quits because of links and OGB then they are not really cut out to pvp in eve.

It's not fair and better for it. Go play an arena style game if you want some thing remotely 'fair'.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#160 - 2015-11-01 14:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Madrax573 wrote:
If anyone actually quits because of links and OGB then they are not really cut out to pvp in eve.

It's not fair and better for it. Go play an arena style game if you want some thing remotely 'fair'.



There is nothing "unfair" about ogb. Anyone who wants to pay for an alt can get the huge bonuses.


It's just that it is no fun to play those alts. Of course, it might be fun for you. But on the whole OGB is not something ccp would ever want to advertise. "Hey look you can play this spaceship game and if you pay us an extra 15 dollars a month you can get an alt to drag around that does nothing but sit safely away from the battles your main character fights in, order to give him huge advantages." If you don't realize how terrible that sounds then you are out of touch. CCP is not out of touch so they know not to advertise this.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815