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ThePiachu Avar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-10-30 17:56:49 UTC
As someone that is looking into doing some Incursions in nullsec, I noticed EVE is missing some decent jump freighting ship for assembled ship - something like a Bowhead mixed with Rhea.

At the moment, you either use the carriers / etc., but they have smaller range than JFs and don't help with jump fatigue. Alternatively, you can use Rorqual that helps with the fatigue, but still has a limited range for each jump.

It would be ideal if Rorqual's jump range was increased, or we would see some jump capable version of Bowhead constructed. The latter would probably be better - it would allow for transporting ships straight from highsec into low / null and not interfere with what Rorqual could do as a potential combat ship.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#2 - 2015-10-30 18:06:56 UTC
Why don't you just lobby for an incursion generator in your sov systems?


If only the rest of us had you 'problems' and your balls to beg for more handouts.


It's interesting that you point out LS incursions for a new ship that would be (ab)used for everything except getting ships to stated LS incursions.

-1 for a ship class that has potential to be abused by large organizations on a rediculous level.

-3 for poor camoflaging (you guys used to be so much better at this sort of thing)
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#3 - 2015-10-30 18:09:52 UTC
i believe this ship is called a carrier...
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2015-10-30 18:12:37 UTC
What is the problem with Jump Fatigue in all the cases? It is one hour at max and you should be in that incursion for at least an hour to get any credible money out of it. Even if you did 2 jumps in a row, you'd get about 3-5 hours of fatigue, which you should also be able to spend in an incursion easily. I do not quite see how fatigue is a problem here.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#5 - 2015-10-30 18:18:44 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
What is the problem with Jump Fatigue in all the cases? It is one hour at max and you should be in that incursion for at least an hour to get any credible money out of it. Even if you did 2 jumps in a row, you'd get about 3-5 hours of fatigue, which you should also be able to spend in an incursion easily. I do not quite see how fatigue is a problem here.


He'll claim the incursion is too many jumps away, so fatigue will accumulate.

He just wants a bunch of ships he can fill up w/ fleet hurricanes and jump them in mass fitted all over eve. Then the minions can race to them in interceptors. It's much more efficient.

This has nothing to do with incursions, don't take the bait.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-10-30 18:28:16 UTC
Carriers can do it, but not in highsec. Soon allcapitals will be able to do it, but still not in highsec--also I have a feeling that freighters and jump freighters aren't going to count as part of that "all capitals" thing.

I see precedence for it. It might be something that CCP wants us to not have, however.

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Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-10-30 19:00:20 UTC
ThePiachu Avar wrote:
What i am asking for is an easy way to move a large fleet of T3's using cynos along way from were our staging system is while our people move to desto super quick using interceptors.


NO
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#8 - 2015-10-30 19:23:12 UTC
It's almost as if CCP added jump fatigue to make this hard to do? Display some adaptability and stop whining.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#9 - 2015-10-31 07:26:13 UTC
A rorqual and a buddy with webs fitted is your solution for highsec... Source: have a rorqual and an alt with webs fitted and have been said buddy with a van.. "hey frenzy can you fit my basi?" "eeehm sure"
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#10 - 2015-10-31 13:09:21 UTC
FireFrenzy wrote:
A rorqual and a buddy with webs fitted is your solution for highsec... Source: have a rorqual and an alt with webs fitted and have been said buddy with a van.. "hey frenzy can you fit my basi?" "eeehm sure"


The Rorqual cannot carry a Basilisk. I think you meant to say "Orca."

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-10-31 13:15:36 UTC
Tappits wrote:
ThePiachu Avar wrote:
What i am asking for is an easy way to move a large fleet of T3's using cynos along way from were our staging system is while our people move to desto super quick using interceptors.


NO



Someone trained "Reading between the lines"
Big smile




Also, incursions in nullsec. LOL.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#12 - 2015-11-03 09:21:14 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
FireFrenzy wrote:
A rorqual and a buddy with webs fitted is your solution for highsec... Source: have a rorqual and an alt with webs fitted and have been said buddy with a van.. "hey frenzy can you fit my basi?" "eeehm sure"


The Rorqual cannot carry a Basilisk. I think you meant to say "Orca."


No i meant bowhead;) Orcas fit MWDs ;)
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#13 - 2015-11-03 10:11:53 UTC
FireFrenzy wrote:
i believe this ship is called a carrier...


+1 because well it already exists.

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#14 - 2015-11-03 10:19:19 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Carriers can do it, but not in highsec. Soon allcapitals will be able to do it, but still not in highsec--also I have a feeling that freighters and jump freighters aren't going to count as part of that "all capitals" thing.

I see precedence for it. It might be something that CCP wants us to not have, however.


obviously because it would be abused in scenario`s like:

big alliance has fight on the other side of eve they use the JF to jump all the ships (with several cyno chains already in place) and all pilots will travel in interceptors. lets rumble. And this is exactly why CCP introduced jump fatigue.

JF pilots gets way less fatigue and this is possible because it CANT move fitted ships in bulk

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#15 - 2015-11-03 10:21:36 UTC
FireFrenzy wrote:
A rorqual and a buddy with webs fitted is your solution for highsec... Source: have a rorqual and an alt with webs fitted and have been said buddy with a van.. "hey frenzy can you fit my basi?" "eeehm sure"


since when can a rorqual:

A. put fitted ships in ship hangar that is NOT a industrial?
B. enter high sec?

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
xttz
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-11-03 10:26:56 UTC
Ellendras Silver wrote:
FireFrenzy wrote:
A rorqual and a buddy with webs fitted is your solution for highsec... Source: have a rorqual and an alt with webs fitted and have been said buddy with a van.. "hey frenzy can you fit my basi?" "eeehm sure"


since when can a rorqual:

A. put fitted ships in ship hangar that is NOT a industrial?


FWIW, apparently this restriction is being removed with the capital rebalance early next year.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#17 - 2015-11-03 11:52:56 UTC
you might have noticed i have already corrected my statement i meant bowhead
Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2015-11-03 15:04:07 UTC
Way too strong, could be abused easily --> Nope.


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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#19 - 2015-11-03 15:31:04 UTC
I came looking for something interesting.
I read and left disappointed that this is just another give us a way to circumvent the power projection nerfs.
On my way out I will just leave this here.
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