Intergalactic Summit

Mr. Ixiris ...

Gods and spirits. Let me see.

I don't know who has or hasn't tried to help Ms. Kim, so why not start with what you have to say about me?


The thing is ... if I don't believe in moral superiority, that's a hard place for me to stand.

I might want to be more "right" than others, though. Or less wrong, anyway. That was kind of my old self's obsession. So, it might be that.

Mostly, though ... I think, I just really hate pointless cruelty. It's not that I think the universe hates it; it's not that I think people generally hate it (though probably a lot do); I just ...

... the world seems full of people who observe that their enemies are "wicked," or "wrong," or "other," and take all kinds of license from that to do pretty much as they please. It's a chance to do something you might normally feel bad about, only it feels righteous. And you can call it justice, because the other side so obviously deserves it.

Diana Kim is a badly damaged person. Even your own society puts limits on how much people who are messed up to the point of ... detachment ... can be held responsible for what they do. Whatever I say, whatever I do, here, whether I address you or her ... I don't see her getting better easily. And it seems likely that what caused the damage in the first place was another person taking the supposedly evil status of an opponent as license to do as they pleased.

Things like that happen in war. Her mistake, if that was what happened, is thinking that it was a whole nation that should be held responsible, instead of just an individual acting individually or a human acting all too human. People can be awful to one another.

But she almost certainly won't get past it so easily, whatever I say, whatever anyone says. Whether she "should" is irrelevant.

You, on the other hand, are pretty near intact. There's a chance that you might listen. There's a chance you might decide that maybe this isn't a compassionate or even a productive way to treat a sapient creature. So, rather than trying to fix what won't be fixed quickly or easily, I try talking to someone who just probably won't listen.

If that makes me unconscionable in your view ... well. Okay.

If that makes me the same as my predecessor, I guess that's not a quality I feel too bad about sharing.

There is an unusual situation that has enveloped our cluster, affecting all the four main empires. It lasts already for seven years and it has name of War. Well, maybe it isn't really unusual, and there were small wars happening here and there throughout the history of the humankind. Unfortunately, this remains unknown to those, who dwell in ignorance even to the current war between four empires.

The war is such thing that requires people to fight each other. And in quite a lot of situations - to the death. Peoples are required to kill each other. To step over empathy and execute the order, to take someone's life. You can't be a good soldier, if you can't disregard empathy, and every person with basic analytical abilities can understand it. Well, every person except Andreus Ixiris.

And taking into account that the current war was actually started by Gallente Federation after they have signed treaty with Tibus Heth after Caldari Prime liberation, and taking into account all these atrocities gallentes commit against prisoners of war, and, of course, black eagle death squads, who fight not just caldari military personnel, but commit real genocide against caldari settlers, well, words of Andreus Ixiris sound especially ridiculous.

The ignorace of Andreus Ixiris towards actions of his own people is really astonishing. This specimen has displayed a pathological inability to comprehend the environment he resides in. His clinical recurring flashbacks to pseudo-moralism exceed boundary of healthy reasoning. Add to this recent research of comparison of different torture methods, executed by four Empire officials, and you will see that Gallenteans employ methods that require way less empathy than any other method of any other Empire.

When a gallentean kid, who pretends to be a "scientist" tries to measure empathy of a Caldari officer, when Gallentean officers display unacceptable to even military personnel lack of the aforementioned psychological reaction, it displays deplorable condition of gallentean thought among submarginal society representatives like Andreus Ixiris.

I'm still waiting for my 50 mil. Pony up Kim.

And after that amount of gallentean sick lies you dare to talk about hypocricy?! Really?...

1. We have invaded AFTER Gallentean NAVY admiral rammed his nyx into our station. That was the first hostile action, so there wasn't so called "PEACE" anymore.
2. It were GALLENTE racially attacking Caldari on Caldari Prime that triggered armed response from Tibus Heth. Go read news of 7 years old or something~ and stop spreading such sort of ignorance at once.
3. I was talking about CURRENT conflict, which was started with gallente trying to occupy our Black Rise, already AFTER invasion on Caldari Prime was concluded and a TREATY with gallente was signed. Oh, my did you forget about this little document?... How CONVENIENT, taking into account how it was broken during operation Highlander.

Go learn facts already, gallentean, I feel rather tired teaching ignorants about events they so hard trying to exclude from discussions.


I am not "rewriting", I am pushing your nose into historical facts, that you failed to look up before talking about history.


If "we" is your reference to brainwashed gallenteans drooling with propaganda, who fail to think for themselves and insult greatest Caldari heroes, then I will agree with your sentence, if you replace word "know" to "imagine in their worthless heads".


Noir. Hello, hello?
News from Caldari Prime right before invasion.
Knock-knock? Anybody home? Open your door, THIS IS HISTORY.

You started it.


*Grabs popcorn and waits for ****-storm*

The seeds for the conflict were sown much earlier. Remember the first Caldari-Gallente War and the events that led up to it?

The part where the State was out planting colonies 'illegally'?
And that part with the Dragonaur attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor?
And that part with the U-Nats gaining power after the attack and their first order of business was to attempt conquest of Caldari Prime and commit what was essentially genocide?

Even if Tibus Heth wasn't around the resentments are still there. The performance of State economy at the time and the whatever that was contributing to that exacerbates the issue. Sooner or later some other sod is going to decide to muck things up and everything proceeds to go to hell.

Oh, no doubt. The Malkalen tragedy was entirely premeditated by N---. The fact that Caldari Prime was still under Federation control? Completely absurd. The Gallente started the recent war and still refuse to admit that fact.

However, that doesn't excuse Heth from the weight of his actions. He chose to escalate the situation. When he blamed the entire Federation for Malkalen instead of just N---, when he invaded Luminaire, when he placed the Shiigeru over Caldari Prime, he clearly showed that he valued his war more than peace. No, there was no reason why Caldari should have remained under Federation control, but an invasion? It would have never been sustainable--and clearly, it wasn't.

Wrong may be wrong, but trying to change the 200-year-old order of things through force is the wrong choice. And despite the evidence, Malkalen still reeks of fishiness, but Heth chose to ignore that. A wise leader would have chosen peace. Heth didn't, he used it as an excuse to exact revenge.

Heth's war made my life hell in the State. He drove me from my home--I lost more than just my citizenship when I walked away from Umamon and Ishukone Watch Logistics.

How about murdering over 500,000 civilians? I was taught the Nouvelle Rouvenor incident was the tipping point on the growing tensions between Gallente and the Caldari and what has been going on ever since, and it was Caldari whom by this account "started it", if indeed the finger can be pointed to anyone at all.
Of course things are rarely this simple and it is still gross oversimplification to say both civilizations were too stubborn and nonconfrming to each others needs for their own good.

Once again Pieter proves to have a very reasonable measured even thoughtful response. The state is lucky to have him in it's service. Also once again Diana proves to be a relic of a time most people looked upon the state with worry for its actions.

Glory to the state won't come from Heth, it will come from the spirit of the Caldari people themselves.

Well, your sister in arms certainly has a knack for it and advocates genocide on a regular basis on whatever channels she is not yet banned from speaking.

But, like I said, this is a heavy topic and cannot quite be summed up in just a few sentences without gross oversimplification - to my understanding what lead to the first Caldari-Gallente war was a series of unfortunate events and a surge of nationalism in both populations - at the worst possible time - and cool heads did not prevail on either side, as history has shown. What I was trying to convey, perhaps not clearly enough, was that both sides were at fault, but if there was one point in time that forever changed the course of history, it was that.

As a personal opinion, few frothing terrorists drowning an entire city is a bit hard to forgive at the best of times, let alone when tensions are already running high.