EVE General Discussion

Several comments

......"if you are in a decent Vanguard fleet, you can make EASILY around 90-120mill / hour in highsec!"....

I note the word "if"

If I can fly a vagabond
If I have the time to fly across the cluster to an incursion area
If I can find a fleet
If that fleet is any good
If we can find sites that are not contested
If in calculating the isk per hour I do not include the time to get to the incursion site, get into a fleet and afterward, to fly home (I have done a 3 hour incursion session where 45 minutes were spent actually doing incursions. That really lowers the isk per hour).

All those ifs drop away with mining. I mine with 2 Hulks and an Orca, and manufacture. I figure I get 30 mil an hour for an activity I can do while chatting, watching TV or reading. The only ifs I need to contend with are hulkageddon and my play preference for that evening.

About reducing the mineral supply by nerfing drone droppings: Sure that would increase mineral prices. But the increase in mineral prices would increase the price of ships and modules. It takes 14 hours of solo Hulk mining to get sufficient minerals to build a Hyperion. It takes a comparable amount of time mining and selling the minerals to get the isk to buy a Hyperion.

No change to the price of minerals will change the above statement!

About selling characters after being caught botting: CCP Sreegs has said the ban is against all the accounts owned by the player. Selling and buying characters does not remove or transfer a botting strike from the accounts of someone caught botting.

Exhibit A.

we arent talking about industrial/researching here, we are talking about mining and mining only

1. flying a vagabond in a VG fleet -> not a great idea, you should be flying a Pirate faction BS to make good isk
2. it only takes about half an hour to get to an incursion site that will be there for a week if not ended sooner (which only happens like once a month)
3. if you fly a pirate faction BS you easily get a fleet, no worries
4. there arent actually bad VG fleets since its dahm easy to FC it.
5. contesting doesnt matter, even with contesting you can easily pull out 90mill/hour
6. you based that on doing incursions in a vagabond, trust me, fly a BS and try that again. i made 250mill this morning in 2 hours 11 minutes.

for that last part, most miners only have 1 miner, not a whole fleet. and like i said, we arent talking about manufacture or researching here, only mining. and btw, 2 hulk with boosts, implants and max skilled do not give 30mill/hour, max 20mill not more.

highsec isnt a waste of time. atm you can make the same amount of money from incursions as from nullsec deadspace pockets, maybe even more if you do it right. i just think mining should have a good upgrade, maybe some new ores or ships, or maybe a NPC corp that gives you tasks and awards you for it (maybe to "fuel" the npc wars).

'Waste of time' is subjective. A lot of people probably think grinding ISK with internet spaceships is a waste of time, just do whatever you enjoy.

Thus speaks the cowardly ganker.

Talk about low risk with soft targets to earn. And people complain about mining being low risk.

I'm not going to call for the removal of ganking, but what I would like to see is the correction of the abusable and broken player bounty system. Too long nefarious individuals have hidden behind the lack of a proper player policing mechanic and too long have CCP done nothing about correcting this issue.

I agree that mining needs some kind of revamp to make it more interesting and more fun. We also need more ways to protect us against pirates and gankers. Low-sec needs to be profitable for miners etc.

I just said that it is intended that mining has the lowest revenue of the activities the OP talked about. And that is true and should stay that way. It just isn't that bad as you picture it. But that is just my opinion about that.

But how do you want to increase the profits through mining? The prices of ores and minerals are dictated by the free market, mostly through demand. The more and better ores are available or can be mined, the lower the profit will go because of overabundance. It will hurt mining more than help. Look for example at the prices of rigs and how the noctis influenced them.
Also think of that: if mineral prices are higher, all products, expecially T1 ships, will be more pricy.

So, why are the prices "low"? Many say because of botters and because of refined mission loot and drone alloys. Okay, fix the mission loot and alloys, but do they really have that much of an impact? I don't know. The only way to verify that is to actually change it and see what happens.
Are there really that much botters? I honestly don't know. Is it a major problem for mineral prices? I also don't know, hard to tell and more or less the same problem as with mission loot. The additional problem with botters is that you can't solve the problem once and for all. Botting is far to profitable for many players to be intimidated by CCPs investigations or some suicide ganks. Even the suicide gankers who claim that they try to stop botters arn't helping. The botters laugh about loosing a hulk, they just buy/build a new one and continue somewhere else, they earn enough money. The players who really suffer are the "normal" miners who are caught by the gankers.


So the best shot would be to adress the issue of "gun mining" to begin with and see where this will lead us and give our barges some nastiness.

Mining is "fun" when you have 5 accounts

1 Orca
3 Hulks
1 Mammoth


Then after an hour you're bored...with 5 accounts

As a Noob mining is worth it but once you advance into a Hulk high sec can only provide so much that's why you find a 00 alliance.

Or Move into a wormhole and gas mine.