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[Proposal] Voting Software for CSM Elections.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-01-05 17:30:17 UTC
so because you don't like the current CSM, the next one should be voted for by the uninformed drooling masses, through mandatory voting, in hopes that it will accomplish absolutely nothing? what an idea

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-05 21:16:47 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Mandatory voting on something that 80% of the playerbase doesn't know anything about just leads to people clicking for whoever happens to be the first name they see on the voting screen.

So either you randomise the order of candidates, which means the mandatory uninformed votes are distributed equally and so have no bearing on the result, or you don't, which means the first name on the list gets to be chair regardless of affiliation, ability, or campaign.


This would lead to better selection of CSMs than the joke we have now.Lol


CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact.

Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something. Sad

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#23 - 2012-01-06 08:31:36 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact.

Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something. Sad

Let me guess, the proof of that is unfortunately heavily NDA'd so we will just have to take your word for it? Big smile

CSM6 got that "badge" because CCP failed on such an epic scale. If CCP had not, the course correction would never have taken place and CSM6 would have gone down in history as the SpaceBarbie CSM.

It does however seem like CSM6 may help make more frequent direct contact to CCP the norm by their abuse of Skype or whatever 'open comms' they are using, which is a very good thing. Especially since CCP employee "real game time" appears to have diminished over the years (judging by the disconnect that happened between CCP reality and actual reality).
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-01-06 11:01:00 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact.

Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something. Sad

Let me guess, the proof of that is unfortunately heavily NDA'd so we will just have to take your word for it? Big smile


The proof is plain for everyone to see, since 6 was the first CSM to actually get anything meaningful done. CSM 1-5's main achievements were in generating a massive backlog of outstanding issues (without ever getting CCP to look at implementing any of them), generating layers of petty drama and CSM bureaucracy to smother any attempts at useful work in, throwing spoons at each other, resigning in protest at some pet issue or other (which again, made no impact whatsoever with CCP), and breaking NDAs for personal gain.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-06 11:01:15 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact.

Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something. Sad

Let me guess, the proof of that is unfortunately heavily NDA'd so we will just have to take your word for it? Big smile

CSM6 got that "badge" because CCP failed on such an epic scale. If CCP had not, the course correction would never have taken place and CSM6 would have gone down in history as the SpaceBarbie CSM.

It does however seem like CSM6 may help make more frequent direct contact to CCP the norm by their abuse of Skype or whatever 'open comms' they are using, which is a very good thing. Especially since CCP employee "real game time" appears to have diminished over the years (judging by the disconnect that happened between CCP reality and actual reality).


I don't know, look at Crucible and see for yourself. Why are you so dumb?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#26 - 2012-01-06 11:25:57 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact.

Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something. Sad

Let me guess, the proof of that is unfortunately heavily NDA'd so we will just have to take your word for it? Big smile


The proof is plain for everyone to see, since 6 was the first CSM to actually get anything meaningful done. CSM 1-5's main achievements were in generating a massive backlog of outstanding issues (without ever getting CCP to look at implementing any of them), generating layers of petty drama and CSM bureaucracy to smother any attempts at useful work in, throwing spoons at each other, resigning in protest at some pet issue or other (which again, made no impact whatsoever with CCP), and breaking NDAs for personal gain.



Everyone seems to forget that CSM5 DID achieve 2 major things.

Nerfing anoms and JBs to a mere fraction of what they used to be, thereby severely diminishing any reason to bother with SOV. In other words, creating an incentive for entities like PL who don't hold sov, yet wield the might in the 0.0 landscape that should be mainly in the hands of sov holders.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-06 11:31:06 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact.

Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something. Sad

Let me guess, the proof of that is unfortunately heavily NDA'd so we will just have to take your word for it? Big smile


The proof is plain for everyone to see, since 6 was the first CSM to actually get anything meaningful done. CSM 1-5's main achievements were in generating a massive backlog of outstanding issues (without ever getting CCP to look at implementing any of them), generating layers of petty drama and CSM bureaucracy to smother any attempts at useful work in, throwing spoons at each other, resigning in protest at some pet issue or other (which again, made no impact whatsoever with CCP), and breaking NDAs for personal gain.



Everyone seems to forget that CSM5 DID achieve 2 major things.

Nerfing anoms and JBs to a mere fraction of what they used to be, thereby severely diminishing any reason to bother with SOV. In other words, creating an incentive for entities like PL who don't hold sov, yet wield the might in the 0.0 landscape that should be mainly in the hands of sov holders.


You're serious, aren't you? The anom nerf has turned 0.0 into a desert.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#28 - 2012-01-06 12:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Hirana Yoshida
Scatim Helicon wrote:
The proof is plain for everyone to see, since 6 was the first CSM to actually get anything meaningful done. CSM 1-5's main achievements were in generating a massive backlog of outstanding issues (without ever getting CCP to look at implementing any of them), generating layers of petty drama and CSM bureaucracy to smother any attempts at useful work in, throwing spoons at each other, resigning in protest at some pet issue or other (which again, made no impact whatsoever with CCP), and breaking NDAs for personal gain.

Let me try to put in another way, CSM6's biggest achievement so far has been to be the CSM in place at the time of CCP Incarna/NeX failscade. They had close to nothing to do with the course correction (unsubs/media spam was driver) and all the things they are "getting done" are mainly taken from the very backlogs that the previous CSM's were instrumental in getting made.
Claiming that CSM6 are all that you claim is like when Bush tried taking credit for the bullish economy left by Clinton or Democrats dumping all blame for later meltdown on Bush.
Andski wrote:
I don't know, look at Crucible and see for yourself. Why are you so dumb?

See above.

In short: Being in the right place at the right time does not make one better at anything, just means one is lucky.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#29 - 2012-01-06 12:17:07 UTC
Andski wrote:

You're serious, aren't you? The anom nerf has turned 0.0 into a desert.


Thats the point. The only thing any previous CSM has achieved of any note was to virtually destroy a large segment of the game. Specifically the segment that they use to sell them game, for the most part.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-01-06 12:18:42 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
In short: Being in the right place at the right time does not make one better at anything, just means one is lucky.


ahahaha you are so dumb it's almost painful

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#31 - 2012-01-06 13:23:17 UTC
Andski wrote:
ahahaha you are so dumb it's almost painful

Let's assume for arguments sake that "your" CSM were not merely lucky as I claim.

That would mean that they used social engineering to intentionally cause the failscade, aka. incite the riot, and are directly responsible for the sacking of 100+ people and Goddess knows what other fallout has yet to be identified.

Are "my precious!' sanctums and the virtual currency grind important enough to wreck 100+ lives, even if temporarily?

So which is it: Lucky as hell or Evil, possibly guilty of breaking several laws?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-01-06 13:36:19 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Andski wrote:
ahahaha you are so dumb it's almost painful

Let's assume for arguments sake that "your" CSM were not merely lucky as I claim.

That would mean that they used social engineering to intentionally cause the failscade, aka. incite the riot, and are directly responsible for the sacking of 100+ people and Goddess knows what other fallout has yet to be identified.

Are "my precious!' sanctums and the virtual currency grind important enough to wreck 100+ lives, even if temporarily?

So which is it: Lucky as hell or Evil, possibly guilty of breaking several laws?


nonsense devolves into paranoid ramblings and a false dilemma

you pubbies are amazing

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-01-06 13:42:12 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Let's assume for arguments sake that "your" CSM were not merely lucky as I claim.

Its not "your" CSM, its "the" CSM.

(fun fact, there's been Goonswarm/Goonswarm Federation members on every single CSM to date)

Quote:
That would mean that they used social engineering to intentionally cause the failscade, aka. incite the riot, and are directly responsible for the sacking of 100+ people and Goddess knows what other fallout has yet to be identified.

Are "my precious!' sanctums and the virtual currency grind important enough to wreck 100+ lives, even if temporarily?

So which is it: Lucky as hell or Evil, possibly guilty of breaking several laws?


Without the 'summer of rage' we saw last year shaking some sense into CCP there's a good chance they would have had to let go 100% of their staff rather than 20%.

But please go on and tell us more about how CSM6 are literally real life criminals.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#34 - 2012-01-06 13:53:39 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
...



Solution :

33.333% of CSM members from 0.0 sec
33.333% of CSM members from low sec
33.333% of CSM members from high sec
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#35 - 2012-01-06 14:41:17 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
...



Solution :

33.333% of CSM members from 0.0 sec
33.333% of CSM members from low sec
33.333% of CSM members from high sec


Response: Mittens is on for 0.0, vile rats high sec alt is on for highsec, Andski's pirate corp alt is in for lowsec.

How do you define the groups, since nullsec players actually live in all 3 zones, plus the wormholes you chose to ignore. Lowsec players have, at the very least, highsec alts, and alot of us move around based on what we are doing at the moment.

Your proposal is not actually enforceable.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-01-06 15:14:29 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
They had close to nothing to do with the course correction (unsubs/media spam was driver)

So Hilmar's told you exactly what it was that caused it, has he?

Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Claiming that CSM6 are all that you claim is like when Bush tried taking credit for the bullish economy left by Clinton or Democrats dumping all blame for later meltdown on Bush.

So it was Clinton's fault Bush left the country with a massive deficit, war everywhere etc etc etc, 8 years later?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ariete
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-01-06 16:20:32 UTC
Ok so i haven't played this game that long, but i have good and bad experience of the politics of MMORPG's.

Personally i think the CSM's shouldn't be elected, having elected CSM's seems to favour one type of player or play style. Having CSM's nominated instead allows for a much broad range of CSM's from the player base. It would allow CCP to choose players who represent the player base better i.e. RP'ers, Mission Runners, Industrialist and PVP'ers
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#38 - 2012-01-06 16:51:32 UTC
Tiger's Spirit wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
...



Solution :

33.333% of CSM members from 0.0 sec mains
33.333% of CSM members from low sec alts
33.333% of CSM members from high sec alts


You see the problem here?

It's that you are kind of hard of thinking.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Goose99
#39 - 2012-01-06 17:51:32 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
CSM 6 has been the most effective CSM to date in bringing solid, tangible improvements to every single section of the Eve playerbase. Fact.

Sorry that you're so rage-blinded about your hulks getting ganked or something. Sad

Let me guess, the proof of that is unfortunately heavily NDA'd so we will just have to take your word for it? Big smile


The proof is plain for everyone to see, since 6 was the first CSM to actually get anything meaningful done. CSM 1-5's main achievements were in generating a massive backlog of outstanding issues (without ever getting CCP to look at implementing any of them), generating layers of petty drama and CSM bureaucracy to smother any attempts at useful work in, throwing spoons at each other, resigning in protest at some pet issue or other (which again, made no impact whatsoever with CCP), and breaking NDAs for personal gain.



I too claim credit for AUR protest fallout.Cool
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-01-06 18:18:24 UTC
I, too, claim the AUR protests were what caused CCP to change their minds.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
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