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Titanic quarters

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Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-10-24 12:06:32 UTC
With the advent of citadels it stands to reason that pilots docking their titans are going to be presented with the kind of interface they see when docking in a regular station.

Since these are titan pilots, docking in a citadel, I feel they should have much better looking Captain's Quarters than regular pilots. After all: a titan driver is not your every day pilot.

I'm pretty sure you'll agree and if you do not agree I'm wearing the flame retardant gear, let it rip.

/please note: I don't drive a titan and I don't think I will any time soon.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#2 - 2015-10-24 12:10:17 UTC
+1 it makes sense to me. i dont fly a titan and i doubt i ever will but stil if it makes sense it makes sense

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O2 jayjay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-10-27 08:27:39 UTC
CCP was working on walking in stations. The player community complained that CCP was wasting time on pointless features when more important matters needed to be taken care of. Maybe one day they will revisit i but honestly i think they scraped the idea. The last year or so have had amazing updates! Im happy with 98% of the changes. Ao maybe one day you will get what you want.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2015-10-27 08:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
There is no Staton interior for citadels when docked you see space


As it should be
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2015-10-27 08:37:35 UTC
Abulurd Boniface wrote:
Since these are titan pilots, docking in a citadel, I feel they should have much better looking Captain's Quarters than regular pilots. After all: a titan driver is not your every day pilot.

Like the inside of a pod perhaps?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-10-28 20:06:39 UTC
O2 jayjay wrote:
CCP was working on walking in stations. The player community complained that CCP was wasting time on pointless features when more important matters needed to be taken care of. Maybe one day they will revisit i but honestly i think they scraped the idea. The last year or so have had amazing updates! Im happy with 98% of the changes. Ao maybe one day you will get what you want.


I don't think it's a waste of time. It's creating a few interiors, maybe with a bit more pizzaz than regular CQs. All the assets are there, except the art. I'm not asking for a humongous feat of engineering here. This is immersion. A titan driver has put in a lot of effort to get there, they should see a nod of appreciation for staying in the mad house long enough to buy a proper ship.

This is a new feature, a citadel, something I am an outrageous fan of, by the way, it is specifically intended as a means to accommodate super capital pilots. An appropriate environment, with some new art, it really doesn't seem all that extravagant.

Of course 'the door' stays closed. I'm a big fan of the idea of walking in stations. If anyone could explain to me what my added value for doing so is, I'll be all for it.

CCP could not square that circle and these people are neither shy nor stupid and they couldn't square that circle, so I'm going to reserve judgement for when someone comes along who says "you could have done this fantastic thing all along, why didn't you? After which everybody says "Oh, but of course, why didn't we see that?!" Until that moment I'm going to reserve my opinion.

Come on guys, an enhanced Captain's Quarters 'The Commodore's Suite, don't act all shocked and concerned, it's really not that much of a leap of the imagination.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#7 - 2015-10-28 22:17:09 UTC
The complaints players made about Devs "wasting their time on WiS features", while didn't help with the whole WiS efforts, were more of a general gripe than a killing blow. Plenty of people were and are still for making some if only minor efforts towards WiS. CQ, and other planned WiS features were derailed more so from several more serious issues that damaged Dev/Player connection and communication. CCP would probably like to simply leave those events in the past and remain focused on other aspects of Eve instead, knowing that dabbling in WiS might risk stirring up old grudges and it perhaps is safer to leave it be.

Truth is the likelihood that CCP ever returns to anything related to WiS -- even to the mere point of upgrading what little is already there, CQ -- is probably still exceptionally low given the hefty fallout that occurred with Incarna and considering that they have plenty of plans for Eve's future as is. That could change in the future, but I wouldn't blame them nor be surprised if they don't.

It's not a bad idea, it's just that history did not offer it a good first try. I for one wouldn't mind seeing more done, even if slowly, to CQ at least. The NES could even be used to introduce new items, furniture, and designs for your quarters -- Pet slaver hounds, medals/awards case, Corp/Alliance banners and standards, different couch designs, better cots that don't look like something stripped out of a third-world country's diesel submarine, stuff like that.

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Poranius Fisc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-10-29 20:00:58 UTC
Abulurd Boniface wrote:
With the advent of citadels it stands to reason that pilots docking their titans are going to be presented with the kind of interface they see when docking in a regular station.

Since these are titan pilots, docking in a citadel, I feel they should have much better looking Captain's Quarters than regular pilots. After all: a titan driver is not your every day pilot.

I'm pretty sure you'll agree and if you do not agree I'm wearing the flame retardant gear, let it rip.

/please note: I don't drive a titan and I don't think I will any time soon.

Nope. Same captains quarters for all.. but apparently there wont be a captains quarters in citadels.

Why should someone in eve get special treatment for having a pilot flying a ship that everyone just wants to blow up more than other ships?
Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-10-29 23:05:44 UTC
Poranius Fisc wrote:

Nope. Same captains quarters for all.. but apparently there wont be a captains quarters in citadels.

Why should someone in eve get special treatment for having a pilot flying a ship that everyone just wants to blow up more than other ships?


A titan is not your every-day ship. It is a very large ship. It takes time, dedication and commitment to get there. Everybody eventually can get there, that's not the point.

I could have gone that way, I've enjoyed flying the smaller ships, I didn't really feel like I'd want a titan. Maybe some day.

At the same time, for immersion's sake if for nothing else, to tell a wider story, to paint a bigger canvas.

New Eden is egalitarian in that everybody gets the same chance [and I truly love that] to get to where they want to go. We have agency. Other than that, not everybody 'is the same'. It never was, it never will be. We are the same kind. When I am at Fanfest I am among 'my people', the most blessed bunch of nerds in the history of nerddom, I love everyone of you blasted rascals! That doesn't mean we are all the same in ability, talent, ambition, aspiration. And we should not strive to be. It is the variety that adds spice to life.

A titan pilot did not happen to find themselves sitting in this humongous ship, You have to want to get there. For that they should get the little perk of a nicer Commodore's Suite.

The Commodore's Suite might be the prelude of a new New Eden. Imagine a screenshot you took hanging in a frame on the wall. You buy the frame for Aurum. Imagine a display of your medals in a frame. Both the frame and the medals you buy through the NES. Imagine the corpses you harvested in a display chamber, off to the left of the Commodore's Suite, where you display row upon row of your fallen foes. Or, maybe you're just an enthusiastic collector. Or: the alliance has a room to honour their comrades fallen in war, as well as the bodies of their foes collected when the dust settled. There's so many things that could be done there; you can display your GALMIL rank in a frame on the wall. The possibilities are legion if my tragically unaware friends in far and fair Reykjavik could just open their eyes to the promise of lasting glory in this, the most prized space simulator on the planet today.

This adds a revenue stream for CCP, a company I love more than is sensible; it adds immersion to make EVE that extra bit more real. It opens opportunities for new ideas, for new game play, for displaying, with pride, ones accomplishments.

For all these reasons and more I offer the Commodore's Suite as a first tentative page in a new chapter for EVE. Because I care about its well-being, because I want -you- to enjoy the glory, because by making it more real it gains that much more weight and makes us invest ourselves even more in this glorious expanse of stars we have come to call our second home.

Is that enough of an answer for you or do you want me to bring in the fanfare and the cancan girls?
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#10 - 2015-10-30 03:21:52 UTC
Step 1: Make the kind of waves which get this game on the front page (free advertising).
Step 2: Engage the flood of newbies which this free advertising brings in.
Step 3. Hire more devs so we have enough to have some left over from making the game work to work on station environments.

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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-10-30 09:42:58 UTC
Abulurd Boniface wrote:
With the advent of citadels it stands to reason that pilots docking their titans are going to be presented with the kind of interface they see when docking in a regular station.

Since these are titan pilots, docking in a citadel, I feel they should have much better looking Captain's Quarters than regular pilots. After all: a titan driver is not your every day pilot.

I'm pretty sure you'll agree and if you do not agree I'm wearing the flame retardant gear, let it rip.

/please note: I don't drive a titan and I don't think I will any time soon.


I think CCP has something more important to do.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-10-30 12:35:11 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
There is no Staton interior for citadels when docked you see space

This isn't getting enough notice.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#13 - 2015-10-30 16:26:10 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
There is no Staton interior for citadels when docked you see space

This isn't getting enough notice.


I'm sure they will put it in a dev blog if not ppl will learn when it hits sisi
Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-10-30 19:08:12 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
There is no Staton interior for citadels when docked you see space

This isn't getting enough notice.


That's just not the point I'm making. This is a citadel. It is a physical place. It should have physicality.

I want there to be something more to it than just 'a feature'. I want it to be a further expression of EVE. The Commodore's Suite is that further expression.

I see people say 'CCP have better things to do'. They completely ignore my other points, they do not see, did not see or refuse to see, that my suggestion goes beyond merely presenting a bigger room. I want the room to be an aspiration.

'CCP have better things to do'? I'm offering an opportunity at a new revenue stream full of vanity items that all you glory hounds would jump at to have if only they were available. Apparently some part of our demographic suffers from a severe imagination deficit and cannot possibly entertain the idea of a different future, a new and improved New Eden.

Am I saddened by this imagination deficit? Yes I am.

Am I surprised by it? Not at all.

Do I want to inspire people to open their eyes and see the promise of a new day? I most certainly do.

Who is with me? Who challenges my assumptions and offers a better expression of what I have in mind with the Commodore's Suite? Who shows me that what passes for imagination and ideas in my inner world is but a pale reflection of what it could truly be? Where is that valiant soul that will so enrich my universe? Who has the generosity to make me see how clumsy my view of the world is? Who wants to take a lead in this new paradigm that we can formulate of what it means to be a capsuleer in this grandiose space opera that unfolds before us?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#15 - 2015-10-31 00:12:02 UTC
Abulurd Boniface wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
There is no Staton interior for citadels when docked you see space

This isn't getting enough notice.


That's just not the point I'm making. This is a citadel. It is a physical place. It should have physicality.

I want there to be something more to it than just 'a feature'. I want it to be a further expression of EVE. The Commodore's Suite is that further expression.

I see people say 'CCP have better things to do'. They completely ignore my other points, they do not see, did not see or refuse to see, that my suggestion goes beyond merely presenting a bigger room. I want the room to be an aspiration.

'CCP have better things to do'? I'm offering an opportunity at a new revenue stream full of vanity items that all you glory hounds would jump at to have if only they were available. Apparently some part of our demographic suffers from a severe imagination deficit and cannot possibly entertain the idea of a different future, a new and improved New Eden.

Am I saddened by this imagination deficit? Yes I am.

Am I surprised by it? Not at all.

Do I want to inspire people to open their eyes and see the promise of a new day? I most certainly do.

Who is with me? Who challenges my assumptions and offers a better expression of what I have in mind with the Commodore's Suite? Who shows me that what passes for imagination and ideas in my inner world is but a pale reflection of what it could truly be? Where is that valiant soul that will so enrich my universe? Who has the generosity to make me see how clumsy my view of the world is? Who wants to take a lead in this new paradigm that we can formulate of what it means to be a capsuleer in this grandiose space opera that unfolds before us?


eve is a game about subs in space not barbie in a station

go back to second life
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#16 - 2015-10-31 03:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
1. Why does the ship you fly matter when you dock. Docking is GETTING OUT OF YOUR SHIP.
2. As mentioned Citadels will not have the CQ anyway.
3. I am not against the CQ, but any Dev time should be about meaningful features. Skins were a meaningful feature in massively reducing DB clutter. The art department are not Devs so making new skins now the system is in is different. So, meaningful features, not fluff.
Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-10-31 05:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Abulurd Boniface
Nevyn Auscent wrote:

1. Why does the ship you fly matter when you dock. Docking is GETTING OUT OF YOUR SHIP.
2. As mentioned Citadels will not have the CQ anyway.
3. I am not against the CQ, but any Dev time should be about meaningful features. Skins were a meaningful feature in massively reducing DB clutter. The art department are not Devs so making new skins now the system is in is different. So, meaningful features, not fluff.


Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:

eve is a game about subs in space not barbie in a station

go back to second life


Sometimes I feel like I'm in bizarro world when I discuss EVE and all the things I said before simply don't register with my audience.

Did you actually get to the parts where I discuss why I want the Commodore's Suite or was it just too many syllables all in one go for you? Because that would be an argument.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#18 - 2015-10-31 09:31:32 UTC
That's because your audience is mostly a bunch of oldschool gamers who don't have a lot of respect for microtransaction-driven games. If the microtransactions are what make the money, the game itself gets neglected in favor of what makes the money.

The artists are busy making our ships look like they aren't from a 10-year-old game.
The devs are busy making parts of the game work better.
There isn't anyone to just throw at these shiny things unless we want to slow one of those two processes down.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2015-10-31 11:36:37 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
There is no Staton interior for citadels when docked you see space


As it should be


I hope they're going to reconsider this, honestly. Since Outposts and even NPC stations are on the nomination list to be phased out entirely, it would mean that in a year or two docking as we know it today will no longer exist. And that makes me sad. How will I spin my ship?

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Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-10-31 13:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Abulurd Boniface
TigerXtrm wrote:

I hope they're going to reconsider this, honestly. Since Outposts and even NPC stations are on the nomination list to be phased out entirely, it would mean that in a year or two docking as we know it today will no longer exist. And that makes me sad. How will I spin my ship?


It makes no sense to me that you would be able to build a gigantonormous structure in space and that the titan pilot would not be able to leave their pod [which I think lore even says is possible in a ship of that size because it's a gosh darn tootin' titan!.

The Commodore's Suite could be a vanity item fan fair. A room festooned with everything you have achieved in New Eden:

- Certificates of qualification for your favourite ship

- your Faction Warfare rank

- your medals in a frame

- a screenshot of your first solo kill (if you made one)

- the corpses of your slain enemies

- Certificates of successful actions against Sansha incursions

- the most beautiful screen shot you ever took in New Eden

- your unique, customised uniforms in a wardrobe

There is no end to the amount of vanity items you could put in there that would help immersion, generate revenue, give yourself an actual home in space.

Apparently, going by some comments, it is insane to expect a suspension of disbelief when docked inside a citadel. Internal consistency of the environment must be secondary to the holy grail of the engineering effort to keep this shaky fortress of fantastic fantasy afloat.

CCP Seagull forbid New Eden should become a place one wants to spend more time in than the real world. And because it turns out I have to take people by the hand when I write here: that last bit was sarcasm.
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