EVE General Discussion

Fact: Every Capsuleer is a combat pilot.

No joke.

Invent Tech 3 mining vessel with cloaking devices, which can mine while invisible to the tear griefing zombies!

No really, balancing in Eve happens by bringing enough buddies. You got a titan? Well we field two and see how it ends.

There've been people moaning about jump freighters making hauling in lowsec/nullsec very safe so they got a point too?

All fine by me.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14291091

you need practice

Where does this even happen? Freighter deserves to die for being dumb enough to be flying un-escorted and un-scouted during a war, or in low/null sec.

The "running away" skill is called Piloting, and is not determined by SP. It also gets bonuses from Intelligence.



Again, mining during a wardec? Miners could be a bit more agile to better enable warping out when an enemy appears, sure, but they could also try proactive defense instead of waiting to be shot to do something about it. For example, set your directional scanner to 100,000 km and scan.



Re-dock. Use insta-warp spots. More stuff that that training Piloting I gives you.



No, you're asking for game mechanics to protect you because you can't be bothered to learn how to protect yourself. This is exactly why people like suicide gankers enjoy griefing carebears -- because instead of doing something about it like learning to protect themselves using existing mechanics (which are more than adequate), they come to the forums and cry to CCP to create new mechanics for them.

Your argument is a matter of perception and also underscores the lack of balance I keep mentioning.

How much preparation does a battleship have to go through to target and destroy an Exhumer?
answer: None.

How much preparation does an Exhumer need to go through to keep from being targeted and destroyed?
answer: By your argument...TONS!!!!

Consider this: What if by design carebears were overly defended in EVE?

Would you you accept their argument that you just need to be "better prepared," "learn to play," take the time and have the logistical support to form a party of at least 10-20 offensive ships in order to take a transport or exhumer down? If you cant get your target because he is too slippery it is all your fault?

In other words, accept the existing mechanics (which are more than adequate) in place already there for you? No, you wouldn't accept this.

Well that is what you are asking of carebears.

In looking over replies in my threads I suspect that any proper balancing will also bring up a change in social behavior in EVE. The ones that seem most upset at my ideas are sociopathic griefers looking for the killmail.

All games have a level of sportsmanship to them. That is what defines "the game." EVE lacks this sportsmanship. CCP needs to stop looking at their "hardcore" definition as something beneficial and productive and see if for what it is....sanctioned griefing. Time to reassess just what does "hardcore" mean.

NO, dont make the game easier, but make it more challenging by balancing combat ships with non-combat ships. CCP may even see a jump in subs over this.

How is it so hard to keep a barge aligned?

God forbid someone has to take steps to defend themselves

As for the ganker, they need to find the target, get the warp in without the target knowing and hope the barge is an idiot and just sits there.

Why are you not in warp as the BS lands?

A battleship takes far more training to fly properly than an Exhumer does. Even at that point, a battleship could be taken out by a solo frigate at times. Balance is not an easy hierarchical thing.



Then Eve could not advertise itself as a "harsh and unforgiving universe" and would not have the appeal it does for a ton of people. We do not have the statistics or data to speculate on whether that would cause fewer or more subscribers, but it would be closer to a "cookie-cutter MMO".



Carebears do not need to form a party of at least 10-20 to fly safely, just as PvPers don't need to form blobs of 10-20 or more to fly safely. There are global precautions which need to be taken to not be easy prey.

I have routinely roamed nullsec and lowsec with 1-3 people in fleet, and have dealt with the existing mechanics for staying alive faced with less-than-optimal odds. Over time I have learned how to do my best to survive when faced with 30-man blobs, or when tackled by an enemy in a superior ship, etc. In other words, when to flee and how to flee.

This is something I don't think you understand, since you have not practiced the PvP side of Eve as much: PvP requires just as many precautions, and has just as many "gotchas" as PvE does. Sometimes more, even, since as a hisec carebear you don't have to deal with things like cloaky enemies, jamming (and other EW), or many of the other aspects of ship to ship combat. Plus, if you wait until you're on the field with an enemy ship to make your combat decisions, or to look around and see what's going on, you are as good as dead from the start.

No matter what you do in Eve, you can't just "go out and do it" and expect to be fine. You need to plan, think of contingencies, learn how to be just as fast as your enemy, and react even faster.

I am not asking for carebears to take extra effort compared to PvPers. I am asking them to shape up and take the same effort. Instead they come to the forums and whine about how hard it is.



Confirming again that I am a sociopathic griefer who preys on the helpless.

Enforced sportsmanship does not exist in war, and does not belong in a free sandbox like Eve. Sportsmanship via honor/respect is all fine and good (1v1s, etc) but that is a completely at-will decision by the player.

By the way, this is what your proposal sounds like: "No, don't make the game easier, make it more challenging by making people who have already publicly declared 'be informed that we are going to kill you' not be able to kill your not-designed-for-combat ship with designed-for-combat ship." Why yes, an oil freighter definitely requires a whole carrier group to destroy.

I'm pretty sure I'd be flipping a **** and running for my life, thanks. Maybe even trying to throw my chair at the assailant. Not continuing to work.

Edit: Also:



The miner is paying a subscription to work more. That's funny to me. I have not mined, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that mining is not laid back. But don't call PvP laid back, please. I'd say we work for our kills, if it didn't smell like a horrible joke.