EVE General Discussion

Once upon a time way back when I first started playing Eve, it was a decidedly edgy place. You could interact with players in ways that were at once both a little anti-social but also fun. At the core of these activities was a simple idea that smart game play was rewarded and stupid (or uninformed) game play punished. There was can flipping, orca jacking, ganking, pos and corp theft, station bumping, corp infiltration and awoxing, etc... I submit that these activities were good for the game. They made eve an edgy place which differentiated eve from every other mmo out there. Sure a player might not like being on the wrong end of one of these activities as they occur, but that added element of danger made everything, even trading in a station, more exciting and interesting.

Now over time, there has been a mellowing of the game, with many of the hard edges smoothed away. We have lost a lot of the activities of yesterday such as can flipping, and orca jacking. And now with the introduction of Citadels we stand to lose even more - with their personal hangers and no force fields, we stand to lose or at least decrease to the point of irrelevance corp and pos theft. Also with Citadels and their random undocks and apparently perfect insta alignment, we may also lose the ability to force engagements on stations.

I submit that we need shenanigans to keep eve fresh and interesting. Without shenanigans, eve just becomes yet another mmo albeit one with very subpar pve. So I hope, that in making the proposed expansion, CCP keeps the need for shenanigans and does not make the Citadels too perfect - that the ability to mess with other players, through corp theft, or otherwise be built into the game and that as time goes on other means for interacting in slightly anti-social but interesting ways be introduced.

That is all
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What's orca-jacking? Sounds fun!!!

Find an Orca, then go jack it...
I think they made a documentary about it called "Free Willy"

I am all for "shenanigans"

However, there needs to be a clear distinction beween when players are exploiting weak code design to their advantage and when players are in control to make moves and counter moves.

Or you know possibly people just learnt and stopped being so stupid, since the few stupid people that did that had rage quit already.....
Just a stray thought.

Just like all the big name awox'es (including awox himself) were actually done in low & null and are still entirely possible these days.

Basically, CCP have not removed the ability to do any of this stuff you are complaining about, you can still can flip, orca jack and the like. People now just actually mine in groups, use secure containers, warp back to station etc. As soon as someone jetcans, you can can flip to your hearts content.

Nobody ever learns - people just kept doing until ccp changed the rules and made it so you couldnt. And yes you can awox in null and low - but so what? What other games are there out there where you can liberate stuff from other players - without having to actually shoot them? None that I know of. That was the great thing about eve - there were lots of ways to interact with other players besides just shooting at them. Over time the options have gotten less and less. I will also suggest that at the same time the options for shenanigans have gone down - so has the number of folk logging in.

People definitely still jet-can; they're just more cautious about it, I guess? It's done in mining fleets quite often.
Orca-jacking sounds like a blast. I'm sorry I missed that kind of thing.

Umm... you can still do that.

Look for Ventures, dumb miners, and ice fields.


* Can flipping is gone.
* Orca jacking? No idea what this is.
* Ganking is still done.
* POS and corp theft is still done.
* Station bumping? No idea what this is.
* Corp infiltration and awoxing are still done. [Heck, many don't know about the blue switch.]

Sorry, my EVE memory starts Feb 2009, about two weeks pre-Apocrypha.

Day Z
Ark I think though I've not played it.

Just to start you down the right list.
You are trying to look at classic fantasy MMO's rather than the Sandbox MMO's, of course you aren't finding many where you can steal stuff when you are looking at such a narrow subset.