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Endurance. The ship used in antarctica expedition.

Endurance? Ew, I can't say I'm found of it and it doesn't fit the theme of mining frigates. Up till now we've had Venture and Prospect. Both these names call to mind images acquiring good (aka ores and gases) and have business feel to them. Endurance doesn't have either of these feels. Personally, I think Discovery is a much better name and fits the theme.

thats what i was referring to by calling it a better ninja.

Hence "(JFs aside)"

At that point just call it for what it is, Brick

Ill point this out again, like I did back when the Prospect was realeased.

Why do frigate sized ships have larger ore bays than mining barges or exhumers? A Covetor has 7000m3.

I mean for gameplay purposes it makes sense, if they had holds the size of 1000m3 or something you couldnt really mine in them. So, does that mean the current barge/exhumer balance is still off? I mean, they did just get rebalanced...

Did i do the wrong maths myself, or is there something else faulty happening?

Using a Miner II will grant 60m³/min in a rookie ship for example, so 120m³/min fitted in the Venture due to the 100% Role Bonus
With 2 Mining Turrets the Venture can harvest around 240m³/min.

The Endurance although will still get a 180m³/min yield due to the 1 miner and 200% bonus.
Correctly a 300% would be needed, considering the same mining frigate skill bonus between venture/endurance

Everyone is complaining about the size comparison between the ore holds of the barges and the Endurance frigate. I have a friend with a corvette engine in a Volkswagen beetle. When compared to the Corvette, the beetle is small as hell, but puts out the same power as the Corvette. To someone that doesn't know "the secret" they wonder how can this be. Everyone is looking at the size of the hull without seeing the goodies inside filling that space up. Use your imaginations and think about all of the neat and tidy insides of the Endurance allowing it to cram in as much storage space as it gets while the mining barges are just thrown together with wires all slung out everywhere and bits and pieces scattered about. Have fun with it!

Maybe that will help, it is just a game folks....

Keep it going CCP.

Yep. We've got here an efficient little use of space. Meanwhile on the Barges we have powerhouses dedicated to stripping an asteroid bare in moments. It has a whole hell of a lot of hardware taking up its larger frame. It also has more powerful defenses, stronger shields, thicker armour, bigger engines, etc. There are perfectly good reasons as to why something with a smaller volume can have a more efficient use of space inside.

As to balance, it's because it's supposed to get in, fill up and get out. It's a slower miner than most of the barges despite the larger hold than half so you won't see it used sitting in a local belt jetcan mining over a Skiff or Hulk. It'll be used to go multiple jumps and fill up in... less than welcoming space, so it needs to have enough capacity to make it worth a trip.


T1 skill to V was required to inject T2 skill. T2 skill was the only real requirement to fly the ship. If things played out in a certain way before you could lose, for example, Amarr Cruiser V but still have the HAC skill trained up and be able to fly a Zealot.

I too want the price of gas to drop by 50% or more. It would certainly make gas based things cheaper. Drugs are gas based, right? I've always wanted to use the stronger ones more.