Player Features and Ideas Discussion

More players = more content. Personally IDGAF what attitude players have. As long as I get more targets to shoot at then im happy. More players=more content=more destruction=more isk spent=more $₽¥€£₩ for CCP.

I know some of you are against it but if you look at activity of the server if it keeps declining as it is now EVE will close down way sooner then if it would open up to F2P

Sure theres a rise of players but thats becose its after vacation period. Summer is over so ppl like me are returning back to cold space becose its to cold outside to do anything for longer period of time. You can see that trend every year.

Sure a lot of not so smart players would join BUT think of how many nice and easy kills youd get. I dont expect that everything would work flawlessly. But again Id rather see a lot of F2P guys then 1/4 server only.

Its my morning time and theres only 12 k ppl online thats just horrible and scary number since last year my morning times were a lot higher. (remember to devide by at least 2 so its actualy about 6 k ppl 6 k alts at the best)
For every single player that you lose in this game your lossing 1-6 accounts (in extreme cases 20+)

For the ppl that say they would rather see more alts Im wondering why? Theres only so many toons that one can control at the same time without them turning in to a station or cloaked trash.

With the way I typed it down this couldnt even get abused to get fleet of miners. Sure you could get spyes almost everywhere but spys are already everywhere.

Sure free accounts would be treated like second class citizens untill they pay their montly fee but it would be more of a motivation for them to work for that plex.

Sure there will be some comunity trash as kids roll in but theres already plenty of ppl who act like spoiled kids anyway


If you guys have a better solution how to rapidly increase EVE comunity numbers then go ahead and be specific saying fix EVE doesnt really say whats broken in your eyes

If you want to see more people playing the game, how about you make it worth playing? Provide them with something to do, give them purpose and show them exciting things. And suggest changes to CCP to be introduced in the game that makes it more interesting to play. However, since your only solution to get more players into EVE is make it F2P P2W, you are part of the issues why people do not want to play EVE anymore: No one wants to create content, people only want to consume content. You need to change before the game mechanics need to change. Not the other way around.

EVE does not need to see rapid growth. How this ends up is marvelously visible when you look at BRAVE or even the Nanashi-no-Geemu group. After initial hypes and exponential growth, reality kicked in and kicked them hard and now they are dwindling into oblivion. BRAVE became an alt fest with tons and tons of inactives and Geemu lost most of their people as well. If you do not provide them with stuff to do, there is no point in having more players because they will just go away as quickly as they came in.
And farming incapable targets is not fun. I have done so with TEST/TRIBE in Curse, with BRAVE in Catch and Placid and GEEMU in Syndicate. It becomes boring, mind-numbing and it is pointless. Not to mention frustrating, as it takes ages to recover one loss of mine with kills of theirs in terms of KB value.

I do not understand: How is "create their own content" and "leave because they have nothing to do" an expression of confusion? If they create their content (mining (bait) fleets, roams, missioning together, camping gates or systems, setting up systems in certain ways, protecting borders, running Null sec or Low sec incursions and fend off attackers, scouting around for wormholes or the area to find suspicious activities (like cyno characters hanging around in systems without stations), protecting freighter convoys in High sec with much needed goods for your activities elsewhere, to name a couple of existing ways to have something to do), they have something to do. But all this requires knowledge, some effort put into the activities to make them happen and taking over responsibilities. Gaining knowledge, putting effort into something and taking over responsibilities, however, is seemingly not fashionable anymore and people want this delivered to them, not create it. Please explain to me how I am confused in this regard, I am seriously puzzled.

No, it is not easier to change people's behavior, which is why it is so much more important to not give in to their wrong behavior and instead force them to change. It is no good to yield to their convenience-focus just because it is the easier way to go. This will only ignite and fire up a vicious circle from which you cannot escape and which accelerates the gravity of problems that lead to the vicious circle in the first place.

Thanks for your explanation of you view, it's not as contradictory as I had thought. Still though, if people are leaving out of nothing to do then surely that shows the self-created content available is either not rewarding enough or too much effort. Humanity is lazy and always wants the least effort route (unless they deem reward worth effort), people now are used to being fed movies, tv, products all made to a high standard by someone else. Perhaps with a little more hand-holding early on new players might find out that they can make their own fun but for those who have yet to experience this (and they don't in their normal lives either) they will get bored and leave.

Regarding people, you have to work with the system as it is. People are not going to change through playing a game they don't like, because they have the option to say "screw this I'll find another game". If you want people to create their own content more it has to be incentivised somehow. ISK is not an incentive as everyone already has their preferred farming method and have billions in the bank, PvP is not an incentive either for those who take little pleasure in taking others toys.

This is wrong on so many levels. Ether you are trolling hard or you have absolutley no idea how EvE works.

So what are you going to do on your PvE Server ? Mining ? Who do you think will buy your minerals if almost no ships are lost ? Ratting ? For what ? Loot you cant sell ? ISK you dont need to buy anything with because you already have everything ? PLEX ? Do you think people will seed PLEX to get ISK on a server where nothing is ever lost ?

Unless you want to turn EvE into WoW in space. Hey look I just came out of the the Sanshas Instance and the second Boss droped a BPC for my brand new battlecruiser T15 armor set.

To the OP:
This is one of the worst Pay2Win concepts you can think of.

F2P only ever works if you can ether sell vanity items and / or provide timesaving shortcuts to ingame currency and progress. All successful F2P games to it this way.

In order to do this, you have to turn the game into a grindfest and real pain in the ass to everyone not using the shortcut. EvE would not be the same game that we know today. And not for the better.

This already happens, look at the amount of threads in GD complaining that one of the core principles of Eve is that somebody can futz up your day if they want to, or that abomination of a thread that's trying to pass itself off as unbiased criticism.

30 days, and it has been for a while.

F2P in a subscription game is a dying breath, I hope CCP never has to even think about doing it.

No I don't think that'll help. If people want a free to look they can create a free of charge twitch account and have look what the cool kids (we) do.

They want to become one of the cool kids? Subscribe.

People see a cool pvp video of Rooks and Kings and think that they can do that? Someone better make it very clear that they will have to take a long road to get there.

Everyone here starts as a noob with nobody vouches for them. It is up to them to earn respect and trust or mistrust if they wanna. Build your reputation, earn your respect, EVE has everything to offer.

I was sold ten minutes after my first client installation. EVE was very different a decade ago and we all have many stories to tell. EVE isbigger than yourself and everyone.

But a word of caution CCP, don't make your roots upset, you know the root of people that pay your food and rent.

I can't believe this thread is still going.

Look... there are two simple reasons that Free-to-play would not work in EVE:

1. Your don't need that many skills or total skillpoints to make money, get items, or generally be effective in EVE. All you need is time and a plan.

2. People will always make Alt characters... no matter what.


To answer the first point;
How many skills and skillpoints do you need to become a miner? Once you have maxed out those skills... then what? If all you are attempting to do is create a mining character, you don't need more than the mining skills. Anything else is irrelevant.
The same holds true for virtually every profession in EVE. You only need so many skills to probe, build things, scout, hack, reprocess, etc, etc.

This is the problem for any F2P system that hinges in the idea of only gaining skillpoints if you pay a subscription. People most likely won't pay any sub once their character reaches a certain point. Meanwhile, they will be just as effective as any player who is still paying their subscription.


For the second point;
Alts will always be a thing. Just like Real Money Trading, you will never be able to get rid of Alts because there is always a demand for them.
Mind you, a DEV could get clever and create special restrictions to prevent their use... but those only work so well.

Case and point; if you are using a trial account (or trying to) you cannot open a second instance of EVE. The game's Client will prevent you. However, if you are savvy enough to tinker with the client's code (or use a different computer, OS parallel, or some other workaround) you can open up as many instances of EVE as you want.
(NOTE: blocking people via IP-address is never going to happen because that causes a whole bunch of other issues for people who live in college dorms, the same house as another EVE player, operate through proxies, etc.)


Both of the above will have very damaging effects on the in-game economy.

Players could, very realistically, be able to fund one account and gain skillpoints on it while they constantly farm on their "free" character (after investing some skillpoint into it for about a month or so).

Or you will have players who just farm... constantly. Because the game is free to play and so... why not? Time isn't exactly a valuable resource to these players as long as they get money. And they will do this with limitless Alts.
(NOTE: don't believe me on this? Play a F2P game and go out into the common fields. There are players who do this day in, day out... because they can. And yes, they often use Alts... one for each mob group or somesuch).

Inflation has always been a big issue in EVE. Now imagine tons of F2P characters just slowly generating ISK over time and adding it to the larger economy. You think PLEX prices are absurd now? Heh. They will skyrocket.
(NOTE: and don't even think about removing PLEX. It has been, to my knowledge, the most effective scheme for beating back RMT and keeping it to a minimum... more so than any mass bannings have been).

*breathes*

Basically... to make F2P a viable idea for EVE you are going to have to completely rethink and redesign several deeply rooted aspects of the game... at which point you might as well create a whole new game.

Another example, is you could make N trade alts as well. Suppose I want a trade alt in Dodixie, Jita, Amarr and Rens. I can train them sequentially. Jita first, then go F2P, then start a new account and train the Amarr guy then go F2P, rinse and repeat for Dodixie and Rens. Now I have 4 free accounts on which to farm ISK to quite possibly PLEX a 5th or 6th account. The 5th could be my fun PvP guy who trains all the time, the 6th could be a hauling/freighter alt who once is trained up goes F2P as well. Oh, and look because of restriction of logging in multiple F2P accounts total number of players does not really go up. Which means this fails at its stated goal.