Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree. But fortunately for us, we can now buy a Level 60 toon.
Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Three words: Massive multiboxed mining.
Train a swarm of ventures to V on hull skill/mining/astrogeology and crowd out local hard.

If CCP would stop advertising flying titans on day one, people would stop quitting upset that they can not.

I like where youre going but i would like it to be free and give out actual money to tournament winners(7-18mil). Something like dota 2. Sell ship skins to make CCP income and have the option for players to buy isk from ccp. Also alow player to come up with ship skins, citidal skins and desings. Let it be voted on via eve community ect.

This would not only make the eve comunity more active by making the game somethig they physically could change and vote on. It would also take some weight off the devs plate. My 2¢

Where the hell is the revenu stream for potential profit in that F2P stuff? How is adding F2P linked to additional revenue? If you want it for CCP's business, then it has to be a revenue stream or else, it's useless.

Trial basis, suppose its just a gamble with all of your playerbase, whats the worst that can happen?

I don't agree with you and there are plenty of free to play game thats making $$$ like no other. Game like DOTA 2 and WOWS are just a few. I wouldn't call him lower end of the intelligence spectrum because logic and common sense are key factor in being intelligent. Logically the game I listed above are some of the most successful game currently out. EVE has exactly what it needs to make the game free to play and can make a killing off buying ship skins along with citidal skins and designs. Most people cant play eve because of the monthly subscription. I think if the game was free to play it would receive a massive player increase over time. I also think if there were a cash winning for alliance tournaments that it would even become more popular around the world. It it a very exciting game but non the less eve is a money pit.

Can the account be downgraded to F2P or is it really just a longer trial?

This effectively is pay 2 win...

I think that a F2P option would help Eve if it is done correctly. Even if there were a massive influx of WoW players, not all of them are douchers. As long as Eve maintains its core principles, the douchers will come, get frustrated, try to change the game, fail, and eventually leave. Some of them would likely stick around to troll for a bit, but as long as no one gives in and allows them to influence a crippling change in Eve's core principles, they will eventually get bored and leave. The ones who come from WoW who actually have a brain, and the right kind of mind for Eve, will be more likely to stay. It would cause some heavy fluctuations in the population, but I think it might also help increase the more permanent population.

I don't claim to have the answer for how to go about achieving a successful F2P option, but it occurs to me that the old 24h skill queue limit might be a good addition to the limitations of being F2P. The 24h limit is enough to let new pilots train skills that are valid and have a place on the battlefield or wherever they may find themselves, but would restrict their ability to set up long term skill queues and just step away from the game for a while to let their queues run through. Currently, the skill queue for a subbed account will stop training after a set amount of time (I believe 3 days?), but there would be no way to regulate that on an account that is unsubbed by design. Putting the old 24h limit would help mediate that fallback greatly.

It would also allow the pilots to, as I said previously, engage in worth-while activities and train skills that will help them make a profit. It would encourage new players to take their time and get used to the fact that there is really no way to gain a significant edge against other players in a short amount of time. This would allow F2P players to get a good feel for Eve and would provide them with an incentive to sub if they decide that they like the game, as opposed to simply frustrating them and making them feel like they wasted their money.

And to be honest, the 21d trial is kind of a joke. Sure, it's possible to make a huge profit in a matter of days and plex your account before the trial expires, but most players who are brand new to Eve and don't know anything about the game and how it works will not know how to do that. They're going to make their character, read Aura's incessant nagging because they have to if they want to know how to do basic things like move their ship and use civilian modules. Then they're going to start doing missions and learn about mining and how "profitable" those professions are. Then they're going to realize that things like ratting and mining are really only profitable in 0.0. By the time that they realize these things, they're only going to have about a week or so left on their trial, they'll feel like they did nothing more than waste their time, and they're going to ask themselves why they would spend money just to waste their time. And they'll be gone before they even have a chance to really learn that 0.0 actually isn't the only place to make a profit.

I actually tried to get a friend of mine to get into Eve and this is exactly the issue that he ran into. He felt like the time he was putting in wasn't paying off well enough for him to stick around. I told him that he could make more money in 0.0, but that he wouldn't be able to join me in 0.0 because there was no chance that I could have convinced my alliance to set him blue, let alone let him actually join a corp. And 0.0 really isn't a good place for brand new players to wander off to on their own. They'll be transferring consciousness before they even realize what happened. Another thing that disappointed him was that there wasn't really an engaging story line presented to him. This is actually something that I have found disappointing as well. I think it would help bring more players to Eve if there were an actual story, not just some dumb tutorial or tedious lvl 1 mission loop, that is not only accessible to new players, but makes itself very well known on day one and encourages the player to immerse himself in Eve's lore. Eve has a lot of really good back-story. Unfortunately, most of my knowledge of Eve's lore comes from listening to podcast readings and reading the lore for myself on the website. Hell, why even make a game, just write a series of novels instead. The point of having a game is to allow fans of a good story to immerse themselves in an amazing world that someone has created.

For as difficult as it is to really get into Eve, especially the more complex aspects, I think that a real reason for players to stick around and have patience for the game is important. Some of us have/had the patience to stick around regardless, but very few people these days have that kind of patience. I'm not saying that Eve should begin catering to impatient players, I'm saying that it, being a game that requires a healthy amount of patience, should give its new players an incentive to learn and develop patience. God knows that Eve has helped me learn to slow my roll and really take my time with things, both IG and IRL, which I think is really cool. There aren't many games that teach patience and encourage intelligence. There aren't many games that require soft skills that are actually valid in the real world.