Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think that combat refitting is one of the most important aspects of EVE.

I live in a wormhole and when we warp in on a fight that we are outnumbered in, we don't have all the pilots in the world to warp in carriers with different carrier fits because we just don't have the pilots and because the wormhole does not have the available mass to take a second carrier many times.

For super pilots not being able to refit in combat will mean that they will not likely be able to survive multiple dd. (I understand the dd is being changed but still.) And for such an investment as supers and titans, not being able to refit will mean they will be much more risk adverse, which means less content in the form of super kills.

What will become of the Nestor? Was one of the primary reasons that it was rolled out not to reduce the need for caps on field to provide combat refits?

How will triage carriers be viable when they can not refit to a local tank to coast out of triage? Or to a cap fit to help them remote repair? Or to a structure tank when things look bleak?

I personally find combat refitting one of the most challenging aspects of the game, and one of the most fun. I'm sure I am not alone in that belief.
Others that I'm fairly certain find it fun:
(note that I do not speak for any of the mentioned groups and only think they like refitting because they post videos of them doing it)
Rooks and Kings
Adhocracy Inc
No Holes Barred(when they were around)
And i'm sure countless others that just have not posted videos of it or I just have not found them.

In my opinion, this change of not being able to refit while you have a weapons timer was not well thought out. However, I would love to hear from one of the devs if possible as to why this change will be good for the game. I am open to hear about how it will change EVE for the better and would be happy to have my opinion changed.

If you are a player who loves the ability to combat refit, let the devs know here why you love it so much, but remember to tell them why instead of just that you think it should not be removed. This does not help the development process to hear "I love/hate this feature!!" as CCP Greyscale told us, it is important to give all the information available when asking the devs to read a post so that they can better understand an issue.

Thanks for reading my text wall.

Main reason they did it so that once a fight erupts players will have to think about more what fit they will bring to the fight, and so that they won't simply refit in the heat of the battle to whatever is being thrown at them, because it isn't seem to be fair in a fight, With the many Kinds for resistances coming to the Cap+ ships it should somewhat be easier in terms of fitting for atleast a bit

I find it personally actually a pretty nice feature to have, because it also unlocks an extra task in a fight, which brings increased difficulty, which somewhat should also increase the fun factor.

This is a reminder that using bastion with a marauder gives you a weapons timer, and this basically kills solo pve marauders if the changes CCP is thinking about becomes a thing. Please don't make it to were my paladin has to die in a c5 site to sleepers because I need to refit A mod, but CCP wont allow it for PVP reasons...

uuum, no, they said it was ALL hulls at the Q&A


And, with regret I think they are going to give precisely no fucks about people soloing C5s, sorry.

I don't understand why so many people have trouble comprehending this. Combat refitting has not been removed, it's just restricted by a weapons timer now*. It's limited in exactly the same way as docking or jumping through a gate. You absolutely can still refit in combat, all you need to do is not shoot at someone for a minute.

*for anyone still confused, a weapons timer is currently 60 secs and they even discussed the possibility of reducing this to 30.

Wait...CCP knows wormhole space exists?

Linky what everyone is discussing pls.

They're not taking away combat refitting only that you can't use refitting services while fighting. literally just stop fighting for 60 seconds, wait out your timer, allow people to refit. Or better yet, have some caps in reserve off field or as reinforcements, their fresh status on the field means you can refit right away.

While normally I would understand this point being made, they're giving EVERY cap ship the ability to allow for reffiting. This more than doubles the amount of ships capable of reffing on a typical battlefield. I think that's a fair trade.

The idea of refitting in combat is quite literally that you are fighting and refitting at the same time. Sometimes 60 seconds is not enough time to be able to live. It is quite common that dreads and carriers go down in 15 to 30 seconds on a battlefield with a large number of caps already present. Adding 60 seconds to that will mean you are dead before you even have a chance to refit.

Example: Nag dies in 30 seconds.

While I understand that this is in a magnetar wh, this should easily show you that waiting is rarely an option.

Also note that when in triage, remote repairing someone with a weapons timer gives you a weapons timer. While your carrier may be able to survive to refit, I get the feeling that your fleet will not fare so well for 60 seconds without reps.

Fix the code. Keep combat refitting, limit what can/can't be refit.