EVE General Discussion

hey guys, that's way off topic here

screen shot your wallet and lp gain with time stamp, the prove us you can do even 50mi in 60 minutes effectively, then you can start a thread on how roxxor you all are

nobody said 200 mil in HIGH sec, and W-space can get you this amount (live in a c5 perma C2, farm C2 solo, profit, nanoribon FTW)
best mining now is merco @ 95M/hours

but that's beside the point, making 1B / month for each toon is work. plain and simple.

and back to topic: well.... no suggestions : the only one that can lower the price are us player
ccp can only do 1 thing : seed a bunch of plex at a lower price, but that simply losing money


but I don't think I would agree with that. sandbox and all that. but all this discussion is based on assumptions and no real data, analysis based on hard fact...

ha, I did realize there 1 real fact : volume sell progression of plex in jita for last year, viva api :
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/link/10000002/29668 <-- damn nice site

isn't that funny, in 1 year, plex went from 800M to 1.2 B
Sells daily are at 2800 and go to 2900 (eye rounded), that's stable

now there was a plex burst last december, a price bump and naturally a stability reached once again, straight chaos and order example here, started 25th, just the announcement for RHEA

so explain to me why in april suddenly things went apeshit when .... there is no increase in sale/demand?
april 16th all is ok
april 18th the prices skyrockets. (prevision of patch like december)
april 21st devblog announcing skin (there was previous news up to now but no detail)
april 28th MOSAIC is released
smaller increase than december
then instead of returning to 800M it keeps growing

YEAAAAH BAN SKIN THEY KILLED PLEX .... nope lol
ok, time relation is there, but look at the number : not a % difference in volume.
you could assume the sell orders are not coming in enough quantity so buyer start grabbing higher prices... but look at order count... it's stable

1rst Conclusion : player wanting AUR to buy skin simply go buy their own plexes (or directly aur) they don't consume market PLEX
plain and simple

plex and aurum could be seperated, to what end, the dayly 3000 plex last year is still a daily 3000 plex


2nd conclusion : some is playing the market, this is too regular. if this was a simple supply/demand imbalance it would show in data. it doesn't. with enough stock and by setting lots of high orders before patch chaos, then riding the patch chaos wave to buy lowest one and setting the new lowest
there are player with enough money to pull this, the timing is impeccable.

the rest is simple sheep psychology : https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=29668 look in the list after the first 10 sell order why the hell is there so much millions in difference : to incite normal sellers to get more,
GREED IS GOOD

btw the goal seems to be 15B if you scroll down, who would set a PLEX at 15B
or 13, or 10, or 9 for that matter. are there name on sell orders

This was all conjecture or hypothesis based on a few numbers, but hell if I could wipe that in a few minutes and some alcohol, damn I bet there are even more realistic analysis at CCP. but I bet 1B on myself I'm right, hell I'll buy a plex to pay myself


finally my "suggestion", probably already proposed with variants : what CCP could do is fix the price on plex to prevent player from speculating like I supposed.
indexation should be applied on plex price : trita based would be my favorite


other suggestion would result in a ban if I said it without saying it's a joke, but if all the plex buyer would identify my culprit(s) and ask a friend that is a real hacker to get his real life address (hahaha) then ask another friend to break his finger(ouch)

remember : we don't care how much one says one makes, screenshot. Hard Facts.

you are right, the amounts are hard to get, but the 2nd graph is volume, it is how many are sold each given day.

the 3rd graph is "order" whatever that means it needs better label as there are 2 types of orders, sell and buy, I'm assuming it's the number of new orders each day.
not really important, I merely noticed it pretty much followed the daily sales, and wasn't droping or increasing to correlate with price boom.


but that being said :
- amount of plex on market is not relevant, the demand is stable : no more, no less plex bought
- and the supply is still there, the order count is not droping

another bit of math : 2800 daily plex = 84000 plex in 30 days.
do you think there is 84000 account around just using plexes?


"Ppl leaving game because of plex" . I don't want to hear about 4 persons, numbers says they don't matter. and number says ppl are still buying plexes 1.5 times the price they were 1 year ago.
now tell me a post from ccp telling 'we lost 10.000 account that were using plexes' (as if they'd say it lol) and I would tell ccp to remove plex from free market, and make it a static priced commodity

they didn't do it, and they consider by their silence it is not a matter important enough to endanger their player base.
(that or they are not following their market and paying player base)

Huh, turns out a bunch of people think they have a right to play the game for free.

Delicious tears. Mmmmmm.

Get job. Pay sub fee.

That's volume that got sold/traded, not that is offered on market. And third graph is orders without volume, they don't seem to make difference between an order for 1 plex and one for 100.
And amount actually is relevant, because its growth means supply increase, and its decline means decrease. Should correspond to price decrease/increase, respectively.
Also, I don't like PLEX as a fixed price commodity at all.
And also, as I mentioned above, when I sell plex, it gets traded (and counted, I guess) two times. 1, when I sell it to a buy order, and 2, when someone buys it from a sell order where it likely gets to after thay buy one. That's just me and my small scale PLEX injections, though. I'd likely did it better if I bought like 5+ at a time. And it's people like me that can cause the volume spikes, if we just drop enough to buy orders and then sell orders get refilled and people buy them while they're cheap. I guess this means more double-traded ones in general during such periods.

Back from offtopic: now these graphs show that there's actually quite little PLEX-using accounts out there. Not sure if it's a change from times wen it went for 300 million, but we all remember that PLEX > sub, so decrease is actually a good thing to happen, regardless.

And btw there's none I know that changed mind about PLEXing from 800 to 1.2. Only those that changed it at ~550, and that changed it at ~850.

Not seems really convincing, because like half the missions are burners which I personally am not getting even every day (maybe I'm unlucky), and you also include LP but don't include time it takes to convert them. I know you can make 500+ million per evening with missions, I've seen and even tried that (burners weren't there back then), but that looks too much like wasting life. Also, never measured time it takes.

Yes, lower Plex prices could increase the playerbase. However, it'd do nothing to CCP's cashflow. The incentive to buy Plex in order to sell it for ISK increases with Plex-prices. So the guys buying the Plex would have less incentive to do so than now, leading to less Plex-for-cash sales.

So why should CCP decide to lower its cashflow in order that some guys can play for free? To gain critical mass like other internet companies? May be an argument, I'm just not convinced.

There have been proposals that can work. Like, making PLEX expire over time (half year in the proposal). The issue is, do they want to do something? Not seems so.

So just have plex evaporate? Real money just go poof to what, force people to dump plex at a fraction of it's worth? Are people nuts? What if there's so much plex in circulation that they can't be used up fast enough before they expire? What about players that unsub an account but leave a plex on that account to resub when they start playing again?

This would make my guess of what would happen to the market go from "not good" to "looool I don't even".

Actually you know what would happen? Plex would just be converted to aurum and people will buy skins/clothes and sell THOSE on the market. Unless you want aurum to expire? Or skins? Or Clothes? Or skill packets?

We'd see the same cycle, if Aurum replaces PLEX and can pay for game time then people will simply speculate on Aurum instead. If either expires they'll still speculate, cycling their stock as it nears expiry because people who use them to pay for game time will probably redeem them almost immediately as they do now.

The idea has its pluses, and it has its negatives.

It will be leveraged by the big blocs, alliances and corps to distribute unwanted vet SP, along with advice of where to stick it and how to use it effectively, to their newbie members to increase their overall effectiveness.

Newbies outside of those groups will probably have no idea where to put any SP they purchase and waste it, pretty much as they do now training random skills. The SP itself is next to useless if poorly allocated or they have no idea how to use the stuff that becomes available through its acquisition.

I don't know how many more times I have to say it....

CCP doesn't control the ISK price of PLEX. Players do.

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