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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-10-08 00:17:22 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
What to do against Artillery Svipuls and other Tactical Destroyers? Is it possible to kill those in t1 frigates cause I am getting ultimatively owned by them atm...?


Arty svipuls? Survive initial alpha and get under guns? Scram web mandatory.


The only people I know who fly arty svipuls have links and snakes and do 7500 m/s in prop mode with heat.

Don't fight T3D's in a T1 frigate. There are some exceptions where range control opens up options, but Svipuls are generally bad news unless you are another Svipul or a blob.

Look for other T1 frigates to fight, and fights where they are the scissors to your rock i.e. brawler warping in on your kiter or vice versa. If you think you can put yourself at an engagement range that is a problem for their fit, it's worth a try. With that in mind, the shield kite Tristan is also a VERY solid choice for solo. Throw some neuts on it with a cap booster and you can also nuke cap dependent brawlers.

Basically, look into the variously Tristan fits. That ship is the god of T1 hulls.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2015-10-08 09:34:50 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
What to do against Artillery Svipuls and other Tactical Destroyers? Is it possible to kill those in t1 frigates cause I am getting ultimatively owned by them atm...?


Arty svipuls? Survive initial alpha and get under guns? Scram web mandatory.


The only people I know who fly arty svipuls have links and snakes and do 7500 m/s in prop mode with heat.

Don't fight T3D's in a T1 frigate. There are some exceptions where range control opens up options, but Svipuls are generally bad news unless you are another Svipul or a blob.

Look for other T1 frigates to fight, and fights where they are the scissors to your rock i.e. brawler warping in on your kiter or vice versa. If you think you can put yourself at an engagement range that is a problem for their fit, it's worth a try. With that in mind, the shield kite Tristan is also a VERY solid choice for solo. Throw some neuts on it with a cap booster and you can also nuke cap dependent brawlers.

Basically, look into the variously Tristan fits. That ship is the god of T1 hulls.


Alright, thanks. I will look into the Tristan. However, as I am completely new to pvp I have no idea where to find pvp... So far I've only checked out Amarr - Minmatar FW space where all you can find is tactical destroyers nothing else.
Filatov Teg
Let just Hide Us
#43 - 2015-10-08 10:00:34 UTC
Yeah, I get some issue for this also.

That's a very good thing to get adrenalin rush from a game :)

And yes, it is more present on solo fight. Certainly due for the fact of representing yourself and your human combat skill.


I don't remember to have some "freezing", but I'm sure such pressure and adrenalin could make me mistake or slow my decision.
I was thinking it could be interesting to record a video of my combat and analyze it later. That should give a great learning and observe the effects of such pressure.

Ho and another physical tips against adrenalin: Breathing during the fight and get empty bladder before the fight ;)
All good tips you could get on internet about people having to talk in front of croud could be usefull too.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2015-10-08 11:35:58 UTC
Filatov Teg wrote:

That's a very good thing to get adrenalin rush from a game :)


So far, i've only found the adrenaline rush annoying :/

Filatov Teg wrote:

I don't remember to have some "freezing", but I'm sure such pressure and adrenalin could make me mistake or slow my decision.
I was thinking it could be interesting to record a video of my combat and analyze it later. That should give a great learning and observe the effects of such pressure.


I have now downloaded fraps and record whenever I fight something, so good idea.

Filatov Teg wrote:

Ho and another physical tips against adrenalin: Breathing during the fight and get empty bladder before the fight ;)
All good tips you could get on internet about people having to talk in front of croud could be usefull too.


I have watched, and continously watch a lot of solo pvp vids, but the majority of them don't quite explain key things such as spiraling, neuting, slingshotting etc.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2015-10-08 23:50:29 UTC
After losing 10x Tormentors over the past few days, I have learned quite a few things.

1. The thing is to never ever fight a Blaster Comet when flying a frigate, those things oneshot you up close, and staying out of range is easier said than done with an AB fit.
2. Svipuls, Svipuls everywhere!
3. Beam has the worst tracking ever, and Slicers and Firetails will murder you.

Atleast I got 1 kill on a Firetail whilst using pulse lasers. Yay...

Let's see what happens now.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-10-09 02:08:11 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
After losing 10x Tormentors over the past few days, I have learned quite a few things.

1. The thing is to never ever fight a Blaster Comet when flying a frigate, those things oneshot you up close, and staying out of range is easier said than done with an AB fit.
2. Svipuls, Svipuls everywhere!
3. Beam has the worst tracking ever, and Slicers and Firetails will murder you.

Atleast I got 1 kill on a Firetail whilst using pulse lasers. Yay...

Let's see what happens now.


1. Comets stronk. Anyways looking you up I see you tried fighting stuff that likes to crush t1 frigs to a pulp. Try the cal/gal wz if you want more t1 frigs to fight.
2. Yes that is true.
3. Have you tried over heating? From my experience with the beam tormentor they handle like a rail comet.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Filatov Teg
Let just Hide Us
#47 - 2015-10-09 06:35:29 UTC
Quote:
I have watched, and continously watch a lot of solo pvp vids, but the majority of them don't quite explain key things such as spiraling, neuting, slingshotting etc.


Ho :) I wasn't talking about Eve video. But more general, IRL tips for people needing to go on scene and suffer of the freeze of spkeaing in front of a crowd.
All these tips can apply to our fights adrenalin rush.
Same for stress management in martial arts.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2015-10-09 10:28:10 UTC
this kind of thing happened to me the first time i satrted kickboxing. dont worry after u gert hit in the face repeatedly u have less inhibitions about hitting back
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2015-10-09 10:52:41 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
After losing 10x Tormentors over the past few days, I have learned quite a few things.

1. The thing is to never ever fight a Blaster Comet when flying a frigate, those things oneshot you up close, and staying out of range is easier said than done with an AB fit.
2. Svipuls, Svipuls everywhere!
3. Beam has the worst tracking ever, and Slicers and Firetails will murder you.

Atleast I got 1 kill on a Firetail whilst using pulse lasers. Yay...

Let's see what happens now.


1. Comets stronk. Anyways looking you up I see you tried fighting stuff that likes to crush t1 frigs to a pulp. Try the cal/gal wz if you want more t1 frigs to fight.
2. Yes that is true.
3. Have you tried over heating? From my experience with the beam tormentor they handle like a rail comet.


1. I will try that out, thanks.
3. Yes, I overheat guns.

I have tried recording a bunch of my fights, but I don't seem quite to get anything from it.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-10-10 01:54:42 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
What to do against Artillery Svipuls and other Tactical Destroyers? Is it possible to kill those in t1 frigates cause I am getting ultimatively owned by them atm...?

Possible but very unlikely ... so don't engage.

How do you get in a fight? Are you waiting in a plex for somebody to enter or do you activily seeking for targets? The most important part of solo PvP is that you are in control of where, when and what you fight. So I used to fly an Executioner with pulse, AB/MWD (depending on target), scram, web, anc. repper, (probes) and a cheap 3% damage imp. While roaming I'm looking for ships I can take, this usually involves getting intel about buddies, age/expierience and on the recent fits of the potential victim and if necessary do a refit, then pre-overheat everything except prop mod and engage ... for example there was that blaster Merlin I scram-kited with AB, that could not land a single hit on me. I went in, lock, keep at range 7500 (pre-defined default), AB on, scram/web, guns blazing ...

Learn what your ship/fits can take (theory 20%, just experimenting 80%), select the right target, right strategy (e.g. scram-kiting), and go all in ... take your time preparing a fight, think through the steps, what modules to activate, overheat(!), never let the other gain control of the situation.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2015-10-10 08:33:03 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
What to do against Artillery Svipuls and other Tactical Destroyers? Is it possible to kill those in t1 frigates cause I am getting ultimatively owned by them atm...?

Possible but very unlikely ... so don't engage.

How do you get in a fight? Are you waiting in a plex for somebody to enter or do you activily seeking for targets? The most important part of solo PvP is that you are in control of where, when and what you fight. So I used to fly an Executioner with pulse, AB/MWD (depending on target), scram, web, anc. repper, (probes) and a cheap 3% damage imp. While roaming I'm looking for ships I can take, this usually involves getting intel about buddies, age/expierience and on the recent fits of the potential victim and if necessary do a refit, then pre-overheat everything except prop mod and engage ... for example there was that blaster Merlin I scram-kited with AB, that could not land a single hit on me. I went in, lock, keep at range 7500 (pre-defined default), AB on, scram/web, guns blazing ...

Learn what your ship/fits can take (theory 20%, just experimenting 80%), select the right target, right strategy (e.g. scram-kiting), and go all in ... take your time preparing a fight, think through the steps, what modules to activate, overheat(!), never let the other gain control of the situation.


I usually wait around in plexes until someone arrives. I do pvp in Bleaked Lands region, where meeting players isn't that common. Took me 30 mins to get a fight at one point.

The biggest trouble I have with blaster ships, is that inorder to get my scramb on them, I need to be within 10 km, but that also allows the enemy to "usually" double web me, which results in me dying, as I only use AB fits atm.

Been thinking about making a fit with point instead, is it may keep things a little more simple with that extra range.

Why don't people use point?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#52 - 2015-10-10 09:35:44 UTC
Scram is usually used with sub 10km weapon to turn off the targets mwd. Point is usually used with longer ranged weapons on faster ships to kite the target. There are lots of exceptions to this rule though.

All you can do is have a plan in your head as to how you are going to apply you damage while one way or another avoidng or surviving theirs.
May Arethusa
Junction Systems
#53 - 2015-10-10 12:28:56 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Why don't people use point?


It's not uncommon in high DPS boats, usually blaster boats, to swap a scram for another web. It allows their weapons to apply significantly more DPS, meaning the fight is often over before your opponent realises you don't have them pointed.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#54 - 2015-10-14 10:05:49 UTC
You need to learn how to function with the shakes rather than get rid of them. Record your fights with FRAPS or similar and review afterwards for mistakes. Also, set up routines that you can fall back on when you get flustered (range check, tackle check, cap check, heat check, reps check, dscan, local and then start again).

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2015-10-14 13:21:55 UTC
man i wish i still got the shakes :\
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2015-10-14 14:08:40 UTC
sometimes i lack presence of mind but i put that down to my own stupidity.

then again retrospect is wonderful.
Varg Euronymous
Wonderland Death Squad
#57 - 2015-10-25 06:40:11 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:



I am wondering because I am very much interested in trying out pvp, but this sort of gets in the way.

-Celthric


Are you usually in s fleet? As in small gang, stratop etc? I find that I don't get the PVP pounding, shakes, freezing, when I'm with other people. But solo I still do, and die everytime lol
Dupard Lemmont
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2015-10-29 12:35:02 UTC
I get heart pounding when PVP'ing, I can totally relate to what you're writing. And its one of the things I really love with EVE.

This was one of my most exciting fights:
https://zkillboard.com/kill/48914292/

- I was out ratting for clonetrooper tags.
- I was at a belt in lowsec and saw an ishkur on D-scan.
- I hit warp to another belt thinking I had time to do another belt before jumping to the next system. Stupid.
- As I warped away I could see him land behind me.
- As I landed at the next belt he landed at the same time, immediately yellowboxing me. And then he attacked!
- I targeted him back, pointed him, dropped drones - and the fight was on!
- The fight lasted for what seemed to be forever.
- My railguns constantly missing him, applying drone dps with light scout drones, overheating everything.
- I thought I was going to win but when I had him at about 5% hull my vexor blew up.

GF in local. My heart was pounding like hell. I got my adrenaline rush for that evening.

I lost a ship. But I do not get pissed off for losing a ship in a game. I had alot of fun still.

In retrospect I should have swapped a cap charger for web, bought tech 2 drones and fitted the vexor with blasters. But oh well.... Maybe next time I try to fly solo to lowsec.

What I can really recommend is that you gang up with people and join PVP roams. There are alot of corps and NPSI communities out there you can join. I have learned alot since I began - and I am still very rookie when it comes to PVP. So I'm still learning. It's alot of fun, but can also be very expensive.
Chuffer
Testicle of Doom
#59 - 2015-11-04 15:43:26 UTC
I used to get this allot, it near crippled PvP for me. Not any more though. As others have said, its about repetition.

The test server is a good place to work this out of your system. Log in, get a pile of ships and go out and loose them all until the shakes stop. Then start winning, then come back to the real game and you should be fine.
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#60 - 2015-11-17 02:45:05 UTC
I think it all comes down to experience.

Honestly, for me PVP has become workmanlike to the point I'll often be tabbing between Youtube and internet forums mid-fight. Even if I get blown up I'm only mildly annoyed; like someone honked their horn at me in traffic, then drove away before I could flip them off.