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Loyalty point ISK cost

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cooldht Andedare
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-10-20 20:30:29 UTC
This seems like an easy question, but haven't seen the exact answer through searching. I noticed that in the loyalty point store, it would say that the LP cost is something like 750, while the ISK cost is something like 500,000. Does that mean that if I pay 750 LP the item is mine, or if I pay 500,00 ISK the item is mine, or I have to pay 750 LP AND 500,000 ISK for the item to be mine? If it's the first one, is 500,000 the estimated value I might receive for the item if I sell it after I purchase it for LP?

Thanks in advance!
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#2 - 2015-10-20 20:32:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Everything shown in the LP store is what the item costs. Most items cost either LP and Isk OR LP and Isk and tags OR just an Item. Everything listed as cost and/or required items nest to it is what it costs.

Sometimes the item requires a base modules that it effectively 'upgrades (SOE probe launchers or navy ships for example)

An implant for example, say a Cybernetic Subprocessor - Basic, will cost you 5 250 LP AND 5 250 000 ISK.

The LP store is what is called an 'ISK sink'

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

cooldht Andedare
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-10-20 20:49:57 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Everything shown in the LP store is what the item costs. Most items cost either LP and Isk OR LP and Isk and tags OR just an Item. Everything listed as cost and/or required items nest to it is what it costs.

Sometimes the item requires a base modules that it effectively 'upgrades (SOE probe launchers or navy ships for example)

An implant for example, say a Cybernetic Subprocessor - Basic, will cost you 5 250 LP AND 5 250 000 ISK.

The LP store is what is called an 'ISK sink'



Dang, that's what I was afraid of. I assume this means that usually the items would go for more ISK on the market, but I'll play around with that. Just hearing that info, it seems like there might not be much use to the LP for me anyway.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#4 - 2015-10-20 21:24:09 UTC
cooldht Andedare wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Everything shown in the LP store is what the item costs. Most items cost either LP and Isk OR LP and Isk and tags OR just an Item. Everything listed as cost and/or required items nest to it is what it costs.

Sometimes the item requires a base modules that it effectively 'upgrades (SOE probe launchers or navy ships for example)

An implant for example, say a Cybernetic Subprocessor - Basic, will cost you 5 250 LP AND 5 250 000 ISK.

The LP store is what is called an 'ISK sink'



Dang, that's what I was afraid of. I assume this means that usually the items would go for more ISK on the market, but I'll play around with that. Just hearing that info, it seems like there might not be much use to the LP for me anyway.

Depends on the store. navy stores are generally pretty bad. Some others you can get 1700isk/lp or more. look at all the LP stores.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-10-20 22:34:21 UTC
There are some tools that give you an eye on what to look for.

Use these tools with caution as some" good deals" may be scams (margin trading scam usually) and sometimes these tools are just out of date or wrong. In the end always go to the ingame market and check current real pricing before spending the LP.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

http://www.evedata.org/iskPerLP.cgi
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2015-10-20 22:54:36 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
There are some tools that give you an eye on what to look for.

Use these tools with caution as some" good deals" may be scams (margin trading scam usually) and sometimes these tools are just out of date or wrong. In the end always go to the ingame market and check current real pricing before spending the LP.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

http://www.evedata.org/iskPerLP.cgi

which is why it is good to look at the 5% value on fuzzwork. if it is 1 then the item trades <20 a day, so it could take you a long time to sell. and also check the buy prices. I usually check the sell prices and use those figures as I have an alt with trade skills that can sell them for a good price. but for some items there is one item on the market and the calculator will show 4000 isk/lp but the reality is no one will buy it. Important to look to see what the buy orders are, if you look and see the buy orders value is 200, use caution. A wide spread there usually indicates the item isn't worth it.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-10-22 03:54:00 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Depends on the store. navy stores are generally pretty bad. Some others you can get 1700isk/lp or more. look at all the LP stores.


A of 22 October turn of the day, there isn't a single item on the Empire LP store that has a sell order with 1700/lp or more in any volume worth selling with the exception of Republic Fleet Gyros

Sell Orders for Sisters Probes have dropped to a hair over 1600/lp

The advice below, is sound.


Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
There are some tools that give you an eye on what to look for.

Use these tools with caution as some" good deals" may be scams (margin trading scam usually) and sometimes these tools are just out of date or wrong. In the end always go to the ingame market and check current real pricing before spending the LP.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

http://www.evedata.org/iskPerLP.cgi

which is why it is good to look at the 5% value on fuzzwork. if it is 1 then the item trades <20 a day, so it could take you a long time to sell. and also check the buy prices. I usually check the sell prices and use those figures as I have an alt with trade skills that can sell them for a good price. but for some items there is one item on the market and the calculator will show 4000 isk/lp but the reality is no one will buy it. Important to look to see what the buy orders are, if you look and see the buy orders value is 200, use caution. A wide spread there usually indicates the item isn't worth it.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-10-22 06:28:07 UTC
the SOE lineup (probes, launchers, astero) is for the most part showing 1700+ to me, and the stratios is over 1900. seeing a decent number of alright trades in other corps too. that said you may be right on the volume bit, but 5% is rather tight on some items, you can move a lot of LP volume without disturbing the 5% volume much.

fed navy sensor boosters are at 4633.22, would I suggest going all in on them? no, but there are a number of other good trades in that same LP store (fed navy tracking comp, and fed navy web), and you can move things like fed navy sensor boosters, its over 2k on buy orders. Incursion runners and super cap pilots buy that stuff. that said they do only cost 54,000 LP, so it would be very easy to flood the market, and a lot of the value is in the form of the tags used to trade in these items.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#9 - 2015-10-22 23:39:21 UTC
Thukker is also a pretty good loyalty store. Either the nomad implants or thukker shield extenders. Going off memory here, so some things may have changed a bit
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-10-23 03:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the SOE lineup (probes, launchers, astero) is for the most part showing 1700+ to me, and the stratios is over 1900. s


Sold a Stratios at Amarr about an hour ago for 348 mill. That is well over 2000 ISK/LP. Must be all the crazy people blowing up ships chasing Blood Raider implants down Amarr way.

Note that I am currently totally out of Sisters LP and not going to be in game for a few days to get any more or I would NOT be advertising that fact in the forums :D
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-10-23 04:28:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Market McSelling Alt
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the SOE lineup (probes, launchers, astero) is for the most part showing 1700+ to me, and the stratios is over 1900. s


Sold a Stratios at Amarr about an hour ago for 348 mill. That is well over 2000 ISK/LP. Must be all the crazy people blowing up ships chasing Blood Raider implants down Amarr way.

Note that I am currently totally out of Sisters LP and not going to be in game for a few days to get any more or I would NOT be advertising that fact in the forums :D



You sold a Stratios for 348mil... That is pretty impressive. They are less than 280mil in Dodixie and Hek.

Anyways, I implore you to redo your math a second. You counting your minerals to build as "free"? Forget the 30mil needed to buy the bpc?

What you did was get lucky. You actually would have made 2250 or so isk per lp if your numbers were accurate.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-10-23 06:05:25 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the SOE lineup (probes, launchers, astero) is for the most part showing 1700+ to me, and the stratios is over 1900. s


Sold a Stratios at Amarr about an hour ago for 348 mill. That is well over 2000 ISK/LP. Must be all the crazy people blowing up ships chasing Blood Raider implants down Amarr way.

Note that I am currently totally out of Sisters LP and not going to be in game for a few days to get any more or I would NOT be advertising that fact in the forums :D



You sold a Stratios for 348mil... That is pretty impressive. They are less than 280mil in Dodixie and Hek.

Anyways, I implore you to redo your math a second. You counting your minerals to build as "free"? Forget the 30mil needed to buy the bpc?

What you did was get lucky. You actually would have made 2250 or so isk per lp if your numbers were accurate.



Yeah 30 mill for the BPC plus about 12 mill for mats is 42 mill. Adding in manufacturing fees and the market fees you end up around the 50 mill mark for costs meaning I pulled close to 300 mill for 120K SOE LP.


Probably not just luck though --- Stratios prices were spiking at Amarr yesterday which is why i jumped there before logging off to sell. It seems to be continuing into the weekend as now Jita are following suit. I think its being driven by the Bloodraider thing.

Currently EVEMon shows theStratios at:

Ammar lowest sell: 385 mill (still buying at 252 mill)
Jita lowest sell : 338 mill
Jita buy: 280 mill ( 34 buy offers over 280 mill)

Even dumping them to Jita buy is returning very close to 2.0 ISK/LP

Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-10-24 16:07:45 UTC
I just bought a Stratios in Jita for 257M, and the last few I bought were in the 250-260 range aswell. When I calculated the Isk/LP I recall the SoE ships were a far worse investment than the probes and launchers. Not even close to 2000 ISK/LP on any of them.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-10-24 16:29:09 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
I just bought a Stratios in Jita for 257M, and the last few I bought were in the 250-260 range aswell. When I calculated the Isk/LP I recall the SoE ships were a far worse investment than the probes and launchers. Not even close to 2000 ISK/LP on any of them.



Yeah pretty much.

So basically the guy sold a Stratios to a fool... which means he didn't make money from LP but rather from Market Scam.

It would actually be impossible for him to sell a stratios on the market at over 274mil because it would get buried down under the 280-300mil sell orders.

Buy price in Amarr at 1700 was 274mil.

Nice try though boys.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#15 - 2015-10-24 16:56:25 UTC
Roll

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-10-24 17:13:48 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Roll



Yeah actually logging in and looking at market prices... definitely eye roll worthy.

Go back up, read about 10 posts ago. You can get great LP/isk ratio but not consistently and not in quantity.

but yeah, doing this Roll is a definite content filled rebuttal.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#17 - 2015-10-24 17:34:49 UTC
It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-10-24 17:54:44 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying.


Ok lol

Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices?

Do yourself a favor and run some maths on probes again. If it isn't null-sec pirate missions your LP values are dropping every day.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#19 - 2015-10-24 18:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
It's not a rebuttal, it's just an eye roll at how hard you're trying.


Ok lol

Because I am the one using a one-time market glitch as the poster child for LP prices?

No one is doing that. In fact, it's made quite clear that the only reason for the high LP ratio currently is because of the Blood event.

Look, maybe you just need to let it go. This can't be healthy for you.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#20 - 2015-10-24 20:04:26 UTC
prices go up, prices go down.

besides going from being happy at ~100mil/hour at 2000 isk/lp to making 100mil isk and 100k lp in an hour. I'm pretty okay with an LP drop.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

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