Crime & Punishment

And people that can't get friends together shouldn't be able to scale their ganks by dumping ships in space. And mate, if you're hiding in highsec ganking newbies and terrible players, I have news for you: you're terrible at this game too.

You and others obviously are desperate to keep it or you wouldn't be posting so heavily in support of it, you'd simply say "oh well" and move on.

It kind of is, that's how balance works. If one player has to put 1b on the line, while the players regularly countering that only have to put 100m, then the balance of risk between the two parties is not really in sync. It doesn't mean that a play shouldn't be able to win with less on the table, but it shouldn't be the normal thing.

Sure, I am well aware that some players find fun in testing their skills against equal opponents. I am also aware some players find fun in amassing wealth running from every direct challenge. And there are players like me who find fun in the hunt and the kill regardless of the awareness or readiness of the opponent. None of these are a wrong way to play the game. Yet you seem to think it inappropriate for someone to play as a pirate and criminal to the point you are calling people names and accusing them of mental instability in real-life.

Eve is a PvP game through and through. CCP says "[t]he essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment." (New Pilot FAQ, Section 7) You really should read that FAQ and understand what type of game this is before you start accusing people of real-life deficiencies for playing the game as it was designed.

You don't defeat gankers by blowing them up. If that entertains you, or you want to ruin their day you can do so of course, but really gankers just represent the game design by which players are always vulnerable to other players. You beat them by taking precautions and keeping your space assets safe or getting your cargo to its destination. It is trivial to protect yourself from gankers these days in modern highsec.

New Eden as a game setting is very much reminiscent of the Wild West. Criminals are like those cattle rustlers who preyed upon the farmers and ranchers taking there stuff and forcing them to band together to defend themselves. This is how Eve was designed though, to be such a lawless place and facilitate such gameplay. You are acting like you are just figuring this out for the first time. Again, do you even know what type of game you are playing?

Yes, I do this. You are acting like you are Perry Mason and have just managed to get me to confess to a crime. This is intended gameplay. CCP has designed this game so you can attack the defenseless and take their stuff. One more time: I play this game as a criminal as CCP has specifically enabled to be done. Why do you have such a problem with this concept?

You are not a psychologist. If you were one, you would recognize the absurdity of claiming to be able to diagnose or understand someone's personality by their actions controlling a fictional character in a video game. Blowing up other players in a game specially designed so the players have to blow each other up is not antisocial or pathological behaviour. Those that engage in that are just playing the game as it was designed.

You insist and insist on something I didn't say. Maybe lack of arguments. Never said to forbid shooting in hisec. Just to balance the penalties. Do you even understand what you are reading????????? I even said I tried to gank for profit...didn't have enough patience thou.

Wild West...read a bit of history and don't make confusions. Bandit territories where lawless territories like null sec in EVE. Border towns were more or less lowsec. Was no place at that time to compare with EVE hisec. Take a town of a 1st world country. That would be hisec. Criminal acts may happen as well...but hardly punished!

YES, I do agree with criminal acts in Hisec. No, I don't with soft penalties system of today. Full Stop.

Yes, I fully believe people killing for fun are falling in those two categories I mentioned! Since I am playing EVE I failed to meet any ganker for fun to prove me I am wrong. I heard them speaking! I learnt what they do in RL. Until I meet such individual I will strongly believe in my findings and psychological researches up-to-day.




Repeat to you over and over and again and again. Have nothing against this concept. Just align the concept of highsec killing penalties with it.

And you keep repeating what I was saying. I am not a psycologist. This is not however meaning I am not reading and observing! I didn't make any mental illness diagnose.... Only stated limited IQ and/or frustrations in the back of killing only for fun unarmed targets in hisec.

PS: don't forget to exercise with that mirror!

So what did you do during literature classes? Because judging from this incoherent pile of half truths and misspelt garbage you certainly didn't attend many, evidentially you appear to have missed out on some biology too.

On a side note, and this should be interesting to read; what type am I?

The country I live in is classed by many as a first world country, and the police often ignore crimes because they lack the manpower to deal with them.

Don't try and condescend to me, especially when, despite your protest to the contrary, you appear to be unable to distinguish between what is real and what is fantasy; you should really look into what a psychologist would say about that particular trait.

As an unqualified person your arguments are invalid, the idiom is "talk through your hat" BTW, and you're doing it yourself.

There's those literature classes you apparently missed rearing their ugly head again.

@Jonah Gravenstein




1. First time I missed it sorry. I was given an example with a lion to say NOT EVEN ANIMALS ARE DOING IT! Your reply was : I heard of some who are doing it!!! LOL?

2. Think you missed the evolution reference: human >>> animals!

3. pile of half truth..garbage...easy to say! Give me links here from scientific experiments or scientific findings proving that ALL animals from the species you listed are killing for fun!

4. Misspelt - wrong...Misspelled - correct!
5. evidentially - wrong...think i was evidently - correct!
No other comments in relation to 4 and 5! :))

So far you are the one bringing miss-concepts here... to prove what? That some animal MAY do it...so HUMANS are entitled! ROFL



I agree with that! In my country is the same...police suffocated with lot of petty crimes and maybe miss some important ones. MAYBE! Not all! The penalty system is in place however...in some of them cannot be enforced cause lack of manpower! Manpower was not the issue I was referring when toot that as example...but the anti criminal system.




Several times I tried to make you understand that EVE means only pixels. You just pull out a statement out of your hat saying I am living in the game, in despite of what I previously said ...and this while your whole "arguments" are given like as EVE is something for real. I only said...I think that if someone is doing "A" in the game, in real life is equal to "B"!

From which particular part of my post you draw the conclusion that I am mixing fictional with RL???? Hard for me to get it!

And what type you are....guess that being so vocal against my post you are already annoyed of what I am thinking about your type! What type you really are....look closely and thorough in the mirror and give yourself the answer!

Sorry, but you are incorrect.

Misspelt, is most often used in the UK.
Misspelled, is considered to be an American term for the same.

Please, do carry on.

1: Except that some animals do kill for nothing more than fun/sport. That is a fact, ask any sheep farmer whose herd has been attacked by a domestic dog off the leash, ask people whose rabbits have been left dismembered all over the garden etc, etc.
2: Humans are animals, tool using animals, but animals nonetheless.
3: Give me peer reviewed scientific articles that show all gankers are hatemongering bigots, as you claim.
4: Misspelt is correct, as is misspelled. One is UK English, the other is American English.
5: Nope, if you had attended literature classes, you'd be able to form a coherent, grammatically correct and properly punctuated argument.

edit ~ I missed it on my first read: Evidentially ~ based on evidence; Evidently ~ obvious or readily apparent. Either would be correct in this instance; evidence (poor spelling, the inability to form a coherent argument or use punctuation in the proper manner) makes it obvious that some amongst us either failed to attend or pay attention in class.

You certainly seem willing to attribute real world motivations such as hatred and bigotry to actions in a game that involve nothing more than pixels, which suggests that you see a moral equivalence, which in itself is a fallacy, between virtual and real world actions; hence you appear to be unable to discern the difference between them.

I have no need to look into a mirror to gain an introspective of myself, I accepted who and what I am a long time ago. So answer the question, what type am I?

@Mags, cheers man, beat me to it.

I don't mine. Why shd I buy it???

1: Some people kill for fun, some don't; some members of other species kill for fun, some don't. What is so hard to understand about that sentence?

2: There's no consider about it, it's a fact. Biologically and scientifically speaking human beings are animals, we are primates, which in turn are mammals, and mammals are members of the Animalia Kingdom.

3: You're the person who initially asked for scientific articles, I merely asked you to do the same. As for playing sports while I should have been attending class? Nope, getting caught doing so had repercussions that extended beyond myself and I avoided sport as much as I could at school, not getting into it until a few years after I had left full time education.

4: Apology accepted.

5: Your posts are hard to follow because they're poorly structured, ramble, and have no coherent message.

It's called an oxymoron and "certainly seems" is not one, seems is somewhat interchangeable with looks.
Example

Q: Is it going to stop raining?
A: It certainly seems/looks like it.

"I think" is an opinion, if you wish us to share your opinion then you must convince us that it is correct. So far all you've managed to do is insult people.

You are aware that this is a role playing game and that playing games is escapist fantasy, aren't you?

Where? Suggesting that I look in the mirror is not an answer.

If only this kind of effort were used to cure world hunger.