Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so let me get this straight you know that T3s are OP and you want to fix it by nerfing capitals (which is what you are doing if you boost BS and keep T3 cruisers OP) and make BS also OP and you dare to call this a start of a solution??????

are you freaking kidding me????? the only thing that is needed is a nerf of the T3 cruisers and believe me i can fly all of them near perfect, in fact i fly T3 cruisers better then BS`s but it has to be done period.

in case you don't believe me http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ellendras_Silver

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you call this a small power shift!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

you are insane

i don't have a issue with a small boost to BS`s in general but what you propose is a HUGE buff that is not out of proportion it is off the scale. starting about the SP loss of a T3 cruiser that should be removed with the nerf.

but lets face it the whole problem is that T3 cruisers are OP and that can not be fixed by tearing the WHOLE balancing out of scale by boosting BS`s with the numbers you are proposing. and calling it a small power shift is the cherry on the cake my god what have you been smoking.

Hmm.. I don't know if that is the answer. Being a slow ship doesn't have to be a bad thing. When I am on SiSi I get to fly a lot of battleships that I usually wouldn't but being slow didn't really have a bitter taste.

But on one thing I hope everyone will agree with you, I do, the Abaddon - the worst laserboat in New Eden, even worse than the Punisher.
Was trying to make this ship work last night but for the life of me there was no way to make it viable. The damage bonus is misplaced and should be replaced with something useful even if it's just the capacitor use bonus some Amarr ships share.

Just for my curiousity, what do you think is wrong with the Navy Apocalypse? I always liked the Apocalypse since I can fly her and the Navy Apocalypse is just a little easier to fit, so I am curious.

Why do you think that having more buffer would be a good thing on the four ships?

I really think that current trend to hull-buffer everything is terrible to say the least. It used to be an artform to active tank. Now it is racing challenge to put as much bulkhead on every boat as you can.

Btw. we need a pirate faction implant set that increases hull hp by 7 million % and 3 trillion as set bonus /sarcasm.

you also seem too be leaving out the part where the T3 cruiser hull will reduce BS dps by 1/4, which means not only are T3's far more reppable (insane resists+sig+higher speed) but they are also much more mobile on top of the raw HP comparison.

I hate these arguments about T3s being op with people throwing about there opinion like it's fact. I'll tell you what in an actual fact - if T3s were overpowered, CCP would have nerfed them ages ago like they did with the op Ishtar! They may need slight tweaks but they are by no means OP...

Generally, PVP T3s have just over 100k ehp and around 800 dps. Buffer tanked battleships have roughly 100k EHP, 1000 dps, can fit a large utility high (neut, smartbomb), can use a MJD, have a drone bay and have better damage application range.

You can post some stupid bling fit that you made of eft but the fact is, those ships are hardly ever used... And like it or not, cost is a balancing factor.

Given their inherent weaknesses, battleships should get around 20% more dps and some more battleship only modules to make them a viable alternative to HACs, command ships and T3s.

You're being emotional and irrational. Your hate for t3 clouds your judgement to where you only see T3 as a problem. Battleship are in need of a decent buff and everything is fine where its at. Battleships should dominate all subcap in sheer DPS and EHP. Because they are the biggest ship hull that utilize the largest guns/missile launchers that can be fitted on a subcap.

Its so funny, everyone always jabber about how extremely op t3s are. When was the last time saw a t3 soloing succesfully and in a role that a hac/pirate cruiser wasnt much better at? When was the last time you saw a fleet t3 that wasnt a pseudorecon where a cs wouldnt have been flat out better (bar petes)? When was the last time you used a t3 for pve where a priate cruiser or priate battleship wouldnt have been flat out better?



The fact is that t3s are extremely expensive still, cost sp and in actual pvp or pve ability fall massively short of their better and often cheaper alternatives.

If I may borrow James Baboli and Stich Kaneland's approach, what do you think of a projection bonus instead?

If battleships could project their damage a bit better the problem wouldn't be so grimm anymore. Remember dps doesn't equal dps and 1000 medium turret dps is very different from 1000 battleship dps.

Take a Proteus for example. With a dps fit and we round the numbers a bit for arguments sake we can have a 1000dps Proteus which does ~ 3000 hp damage every ~3 seconds resulting in ~1000dps.

Now if we take a beam-Apocalypse (mega-beams) which does ~6000hp damage every ~6 seconds also resulting in ~1000dps.

Can you see the difference?

Problem is that our hypothetical Apocalypse doesn't hit anything below another battleship or a planet, dps or not. Even if you would increase the laser damage by 2x that hypothectial ~12000hp damage every ~6 seconds still doesn't hit anything.

But I agree that a battleship should have a lot more resources than a tiny cruiser and not get sunk in 20 seconds.

And the Proteus will have all the mobility it wants to dictate range, transversal, and whether or not the engagement continues. Nice difference, isn't it?

normal tanked proteus have same speed at mwd, as bs for example mach. Proteus cant dictate anything, he doesnt have utiliti high slots. enough med slots(3 may be 4 at best)