EVE General Discussion

And a other Arcade gamer (wow tactics hold hands gamer).

Conclusion this is not your cup of tea game if you find that hard to learn some F*CKING patience then please by the god of love move on.

Skillpoints is one of the best things about Eve. It's one of the main reasons I choose it over WoW and others. It provides passive advancement even when not playing, and justifies a subscription even when you don't have time to play full time.

Actually I have played some WoW in the past, at one point my character had all purple PvP gear. Just wanted to say that WoW does take some skill - however it's more "twitch based" skill that test your reflexes - kind of like Counter-Strike.

Because your character has like 20 different spells, and so does your enemy. When you PvP, you have to instantly recognize what spell your enemy is using, and also which spell you will use to counter it. (you also have to push the right hotkey at the right moment, which is kind of hard when you have 20 different hotkeys with spells, but you only have a split second to react and push the right one).

So PvP in WoW does take some skills - but it's mainly reflex / twitch / memory based skills.

False statement. In fact, the whole premise of your "argument" is false, which is now clear from your subsequent comments.

There is no "pay wall." EVE does not require microtransactions to progress. It requires time and effort. You pay a sub (either with your own cash or a huge investment of your own time to get PLEX somebody else pays for). There is no instant gratification in this game.

EVE is not a "fair playing field." It's a sandbox. There's a fundamental difference there, if you are clever enough to perceive it.

EVE has far more depth than any other online game I am aware of. It's a game of strategy and tactics not twitch reflex and connection speed. That's a big part of the appeal.

EVE does not appeal to many gamers for these reasons. Yet you argue that it should be made to be more like other games, fundamentally changing the game to appeal to the short-attention-span, self-entitled crowd that currently are driven away by the complexity and investment of time and effort required.

It isn't perfect, various changes are afoot that will "fine tune" certain aspects of the game and reduce (not remove) the barriers to new player retention without fundamentally changing the nature of the game.

You are, to be blunt, pissing up a rope here.

Excuse, what's the character bazaar? That's quite instant, proportionally.

Now, where is it said that EVE should be made more like other games?

That the experience doesn't "appeal to many gamers", as stated in this very thread, is a function of how it addresses providing content. If "lack of content" is truly the main reason for unsubs, as is evidenced in the OP, the problem is clearly SP. How can they decide if they like the game if they can't play it?

Enjoy.

Says the guy using his alt who was last seen hanging out in Apanake scouting for Gorki... Everyone uses alts, everyone can be found Mr. Andropov

Right, we get what you think. You've stated this many times. This is not evidence, it doesn't matter what my bias is.

I am on topic, I am asking you to prove your point. Take a point from a study you've linked and put your spin on it in the context of Eve.

Also, Warning? What are you going to do? Report me to CCP for not agreeing with what I think is a stupid opinion?

Then you fail at eve, there is plenty of things for new players to do, and things have become even more accessible for new players in the recent years.