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Zsha
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2015-10-20 08:54:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Zsha
Hi, I'm fairly new to the game and I have spent some serious time messing around in EFT with the Dragoon. I really want to use this ship as my main ship, learn it's engagement profile and practice PvPing in it. I have heard though.... this ship is not the best solo ship.

The thing is.............. how is this ship flown???
I personally don't want an AB on this thing, since it lacks the third slot for a web and would prefer the MWD for better mobility and more options (also the AB is way to bloody slow with this ship)

I have seen people using this ship as a 1 trick pony in plexes with no prop mod and Scram+Web, I'd prefer the Microwarpdrive.

Soooooooo....
Is this thing best flown kamikazi style, with a MWD+Scram and then race into someones face and brawl them down with drones and neuts?

OR

Is it flown with a bit of finesse using a MWD+Disruptor and try kite a ship until it gets too close then neut off and continue kiting, kind of like a mini-curse or something?

Right now I am training my int/memory so the fits I've theorized up are just full rack of neuts/Nos fits, I have 2, here they are.

One with MWD + Disruptor

[Dragoon, Point 1]
Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Warp Disruptor II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Egress Port Maximizer I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

Acolyte II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Nanite Repair Paste x30

Or with a scram.

[Dragoon, Scram]
Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire

Small Egress Port Maximizer I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I

Acolyte II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Nanite Repair Paste x30

My idea with flying this ship is practice for flying a curse and I'd like to roll flying amarr EWAR ****, neuts etc..

Am I right in saying though, that the Dragoon is way too slow to bother fitting a disruptor on and flying kite style?

When I eventually train up my laser skills I have made these fits over the fits I've made with just neuts/nos.
I have 2 fits with scram and 1 with a point.

[Dragoon, guns+point]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Warp Disruptor II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3
Conflagration S x3
Scorch S x3
Nanite Repair Paste x30

OR

[Dragoon, 4]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3
Conflagration S x3
Scorch S x3
Nanite Repair Paste x30

OR

[Dragoon, 5]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Drone Scope Chip II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x3
Conflagration S x3
Scorch S x3
Nanite Repair Paste x30


I think these fits are pretty good imo, It's just I'm baffled as to how this ship is flown...?
Should it be..

MWD into peoples faces and brawl them down with a scram?
Or
MWD with finesse around people while kite with a point?

AB or propless is out of the question, so please don't suggest that.

Thanks Zsha :)
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#2 - 2015-10-20 10:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
It would be a good call to brick it up (lots of buffer tank) and try to warp onto small plexes that have targets you can take (meaning amarr/caldari/gallente boats that don't use missiles, so their guns shut down), avoid obvious kiting ships like condors and slicers, and then go for a direct murder attempt on the plex beacon at 0m. That atleast, if you want to go for FW space.

Would stick with 2-3 neuts only and no nos(partialy cause NOS is good for extended fights that usually tend to happen when you fly AB stuff), your capacitor is not an issue like your armor buffer is. A decent dragoon should have a roughly 10-11k ehp tank, that's twice a frig's, while also putting out 200-250dps.

[Dragoon, meta]

400mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Damage Control II
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I
Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I
Small 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Acolyte II x5

This should do with newbro skills.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-10-20 11:19:30 UTC
It's too slow to kite. I think in general better to brick tank it and let them come to u. Also seeing as is not bonuses for missiles u could stick auto cannons on it to save pg and CPU for a bigger plate or whatever. Ur drones have range and u have spares so use those to engage at range if the enemy tries to kite.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#4 - 2015-10-20 12:02:27 UTC
[quote=Zsha]

The thing is.............. how is this ship flown???

/quote]

Join amarr FW corp like Terpene Conglomerate and they will teach you how to fly their usual brawlers

[Dragoon, Terpene Conglomerate's Dragoon]
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Rocket Launcher II,Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II,Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II,Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

Absolutely free head start for newcomers!. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP!
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-10-20 12:08:07 UTC
What no neuts?
Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#6 - 2015-10-20 14:06:28 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
What no neuts?


By and large, when you jump a frig with a destro, you don't need neuts. The fight just isn't going to last that long.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-10-20 14:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
In which case there are other ships which would be better no?

And how the **** do u jump a frig in a dragoon?
Hochopepa
Creative Research and Production Services
#8 - 2015-10-20 16:09:18 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
In which case there are other ships which would be better no?

And how the **** do u jump a frig in a dragoon?



Just catch them on landing or catch them not paying attention or be faster.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-10-20 16:48:56 UTC
ok i stand corrected there are dragoons faster than frigs these days, geeze im so newb
Zsha
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2015-10-20 18:26:11 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
ok i stand corrected there are dragoons faster than frigs these days, geeze im so newb


Possible to fit a dragoon to go 2000 m/s unheated with genos implants, 5% CPU and Zor's (without links/snakes/drugs)
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#11 - 2015-10-20 20:31:03 UTC
You could hull tank it. More DPS, EHP drops to around 8k.

[Dragoon, hull tank]

Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Small Transverse Bulkhead I


Hobgoblin II x5
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-10-20 21:20:52 UTC
Zsha wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
ok i stand corrected there are dragoons faster than frigs these days, geeze im so newb


Possible to fit a dragoon to go 2000 m/s unheated with genos implants, 5% CPU and Zor's (without links/snakes/drugs)


so? that dragoon cant catch what i dare say is a large proprotion of the frigs available (if they have mwd) without zors or any other speed modifiers

and how much tank and dps does the superfast dragoon have?
Zsha
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2015-10-22 06:18:04 UTC
I don't know man I'm posting because I wanted help with this ship, nevermind.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-10-22 06:30:06 UTC
Zsha
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2015-10-22 07:17:42 UTC
Cheers
Wolf, you think dragoon is more powerful using MWD + Point and flying kite or useing MWD+Scram and flying brawl?
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-10-22 09:31:07 UTC
newbro, u should use ab if ur going to brawl and in which case u may want to consider a point instead of a scram.

mwd + scram is generally used for tackler ships.

and as i mentioned before the dragoon is not fast.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-10-22 13:44:24 UTC
If you get amarr destroyer to level 5 your neutralizers can easily hit to 12km. It's 12.1km for 5W power system malfunctions. Small unstable power fluctuators are more expensive but they have a 12.6km range and drain the most cap, and they also overheat longer than T2.

When you consider the range of your neuts, the fact that your drones can hit at almost any range and you have access to other long range weapon systems, it does not really make sense for you to get any closer than 10km from a target in this ship.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#18 - 2015-10-22 16:08:28 UTC
I refuse to take you seriously after your batshit rant about the lack of the Dragoon skin.


Also, clean that **** off your face, please.


Good luck o7

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Zsha
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2015-10-22 17:33:33 UTC
That's not very nice.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-10-22 17:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: W0lf Crendraven
I would fit it with lmls, ddas, mwd + long point while using the spare highs for neuts, you dont try to neut someone but as shown in that video using them as anti tackle works very well.


You can fit a tpyical mwd + brawling setup but i see no reason not to use an algos then tbh. Although, if i would brawl in it i would make sure to have at least 2 neuts, the neuts are your tackle so to speak.




Edit: I wouldnt fly a dragoon in general however, algos is better all around and t3ds still are a thing
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