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To Tuulinen-"haan" regarding his lies about Tibus Heth
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-10-21 21:31:40 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I don't think she was wrong, either. Heth seemed to believe that he had been chosen as a unique individual for a special purpose - at the end he thought that HE was more important than the forces that had raised him up.

In the end it bankrupted his honour, drove him from power and led to him perishing in a minor fleet action in an unremarkable part of the cosmos.

"Heth seemed to believe that he had been chosen as a unique individual for a special purpose - at the end he thought that HE was more important than the forces that had raised him up."

And WHO said it to YOU in the first place? A gallentean swine, whispering to your ear? So you could repeat such outrageous lie about our greatest hero? So you could defame Caldari glory with your spiteful baseless insults about Tibus Heth?!

In the name of the Maker and all the Winds, WOULD YOU CLAIM YOU KNEW WHAT HE WAS THINKING?! Are you a freaking telepath, Tuulinen, to claim that Tibus Heth was thinking that?! You do realize, how stupid your claim now sound? Do you realize at all that you are repeating nothing, but gallente propaganda, blind hatred to Tibus Heth like a last gallentean lapdog would cry?!

And you DARE to spit our such raving, while all the facts contadict to you? While every Caldari saw, how Tibus Heth was disregarding HIS OWN LIFE to save regular workers and fight with common soldiers?! When he was going into battle with commoners like one of commoners, instead of sitting in plush CEO chair, drinking tea and looking at them from above?! And knowing this, your fat tongue dares to move to say that "he believed he was special and unique"?

I spit on threshold of your home, Tuulinen. I feel sorry I had respected you as Caldari. I cannot stand such double-faced gallentean bootlicking anymore.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-10-21 21:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Foley Aberas Jones
DOES THIS SERIOUSLY NEED ITS OWN GOD DAMN THREAD?
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#3 - 2015-10-21 22:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
If its "mindless Gallante propaganda" as you have put it before, why are YOU spreading it? I doubt many people here would have payed attention to it if you didn't highlight it. Don't you realize part of propaganda is getting your enemies to dwell on it and think about it? In the end this propaganda succeeded. I doubt Tuulinen is trying to spread propaganda or whatever, but congratulations on succumbing to your own demons.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-10-21 22:12:18 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
DOES THIS SERIOUSLY NEED ITS OWN GOD DAMN THREAD?

Yes.

Because it is serious issue and because it is a separate discussion from Ms. Jenneth's discussion of Federation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Akera
Kaizen.
#5 - 2015-10-21 22:14:41 UTC

Seems like Diana here is missin the lesson of the parable. Hubris is not becoming of a State Citizen. The nail that sticks out will be hammered down.

If you don't wanna conform and serve the State, the employer, and the greater good like we're all born to do, then go get yourself to apply for Federation citizenship.

出る杭は打たれる。
Yarosara Ruil
#6 - 2015-10-21 22:45:04 UTC
A man should be judged for his past deeds, but Tibus Heth is no longer among us, and he can no longer defend himself from our judgment. However, the worth of a deceased man should be measured in his deeds in life, both good and bad.

Tibus Heth was man that left a lasting mark on the Caldari State. I prefer remembering him for all the good he did, than what disgraced him in the eyes of the public.

Please do not dishonor the dead with gossips and hearsay. Thank you.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-10-21 23:56:05 UTC
Good words, thank you, Ms. Ruil.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-10-21 23:58:35 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
If its "mindless Gallante propaganda" as you have put it before, why are YOU spreading it? I doubt many people here would have payed attention to it if you didn't highlight it. Don't you realize part of propaganda is getting your enemies to dwell on it and think about it? In the end this propaganda succeeded. I doubt Tuulinen is trying to spread propaganda or whatever, but congratulations on succumbing to your own demons.

I am "spreading" it with obvious refuting, so other peoples won't accidentally consider it as a given.
Let them read both sides, analyze them and think before making judgement.
Providing counterarguments against axiomatic gallentean approach is the best way to fight gallentean propaganda.
I will make readers think.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#9 - 2015-10-22 00:10:12 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
If its "mindless Gallante propaganda" as you have put it before, why are YOU spreading it? I doubt many people here would have payed attention to it if you didn't highlight it. Don't you realize part of propaganda is getting your enemies to dwell on it and think about it? In the end this propaganda succeeded. I doubt Tuulinen is trying to spread propaganda or whatever, but congratulations on succumbing to your own demons.

I am "spreading" it with obvious refuting, so other peoples won't accidentally consider it as a given.
Let them read both sides, analyze them and think before making judgement.
Providing counterarguments against axiomatic gallentean approach is the best way to fight gallentean propaganda.
I will make readers think.


What I'm saying is the more its talked about the stronger it grows. People who would believe it, with or without it being refuted, will believe it. Having it refuted will drive people who don't believe it to dwell on it and possibly believe it. Not only that but having the opposition talk about it advertises the propaganda and thus spreads it further. That's why propaganda gets spread to any opposition. Your defense is admirable, but you are kinda' doing yourself and your cause a disservice.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#10 - 2015-10-22 00:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Tuulinen-haan has always been the most dedicated, level-headed, and approachable of the Patriots, a credit to his corporation and to the State, one who has never faltered in his duty. Indeed, he has even assisted Kim herself through difficult times, such as those she went through following Heth's fall. Tuulinen-haan and Kim have repeatedly come to disagree, found a resolution after vitriolic statements by Kim, only for the cycle to be repeated.

To those who have asked why I haven't sought to seek a peaceful resolution with Diana Kim, it is for the reason you see here: much would be sacrificed to satiate her, and then she would merely find some new insult to rail against.

There is no path we can follow save ostracism.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2015-10-22 00:31:24 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Tuulinen-haan has always been the most dedicated, level-headed, and approachable of the Patriots, a credit to his corporation and to the State, one who has never faltered in his duty. Indeed, he has even assisted Kim herself through difficult times, such as those she went through following Heth's fall. Tuulinen-haan and Kim have repeatedly come to disagree, found a resolution after vitriolic statements by Kim, only for the cycle to be repeated.

To those who have asked why I haven't sought to seek a peaceful resolution with Diana Kim, it is for the reason you see here: much would be sacrificed to satiate her, and then she would merely find some new insult to rail against.

There is no path we can follow save ostracism.

I see this endorsement of Tuulinen's character doing him no favors in Kimmy's eyes. As a matter of fact, it will likely serve only to anger her. Also, I like you. We should do lunch sometime.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-10-22 00:31:42 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Tuulinen-haan has always been the most dedicated, level-headed, and approachable of the Patriots, a credit to his corporation and to the State, one who has never faltered in his duty. Indeed, he has even assisted Kim herself through difficult times, such as those she went through following Heth's fall. Tuulinen-haan and Kim have repeatedly come to disagree, found a resolution after vitriolic statements by Kim, only for the cycle to be repeated.

To those who have asked why I haven't sought to seek a peaceful resolution with Diana Kim, it is for the reason you see here: much would be sacrificed to satiate her, and then she would merely find some new insult to rail against.

There is no path we can follow save ostracism.

Admit your lies, you lying creature!
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2015-10-22 00:40:04 UTC
What has Makoto Priano actually lied about anyways? I know the "be honorable and face me" fiasco, aside from that what? And Peiter Tuulinen has always seemed nice to me, don't really get why he's getting bad mouthed. I also don't really care about whether he lied about some pointless thing or not. Pointless with regards to me or anything I support that is.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#14 - 2015-10-22 00:57:06 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
What has Makoto Priano actually lied about anyways? I know the "be honorable and face me" fiasco, aside from that what? And Peiter Tuulinen has always seemed nice to me, don't really get why he's getting bad mouthed. I also don't really care about whether he lied about some pointless thing or not. Pointless with regards to me or anything I support that is.

Kimmy has an issue with cognitive dissonance, any evidence conflicting her world view must be a lie. Since Miss Priano has challenged her paradigm on numerous occasions she must be a useless, lying, scum sucking, Gallentean loving, excuse for a human.... Much like everyone else who disagrees with her....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#15 - 2015-10-22 01:03:15 UTC
Oh, I guess that makes sense.......
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-10-22 02:47:42 UTC
I think we should start putting down everything that is known about Tibus Heth, sans opinions, chronologically.

Then we analyse everything about Tibus Heth's actions and deeds, just to get the records straight.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#17 - 2015-10-22 04:38:32 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
I think we should start putting down everything that is known about Tibus Heth, sans opinions, chronologically.

Then we analyse everything about Tibus Heth's actions and deeds, just to get the records straight.

Sadly, all that would do is serve to highlight his positive accomplishments in her eyes. Any of the negative points in his career would be attributed to the Gallente in some fashion.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-10-22 04:39:55 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
I think we should start putting down everything that is known about Tibus Heth, sans opinions, chronologically.

Then we analyse everything about Tibus Heth's actions and deeds, just to get the records straight.

Sadly, all that would do is serve to highlight his positive accomplishments in her eyes. Any of the negative points in his career would be attributed to the Gallente in some fashion.


However, it will help straighten things out for anyone who isn't Kim and doesn't know about Heth.

Yes, people like that exists.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-10-22 07:46:56 UTC
I'm pleasantly surprised to discover that "Gallentean propaganda" efforts have proven to be so successful. If we have subverted Commander Tuulinen, then it's clear only Kim and her sock puppet remain unbrainwashed.

I must write to Senator Blaque and let him know we can now go on holiday.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-10-22 07:49:31 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
I'm pleasantly surprised to discover that "Gallentean propaganda" efforts have proven to be so successful. If we have subverted Commander Tuulinen, then it's clear only Kim and her sock puppet remain unbrainwashed.

I must write to Senator Blaque and let him know we can now go on holiday.


Look at his face. Is that the face of someone who goes on holidays?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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