Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It does not matter, because, you're not immobile, shooting at a immobile target. Which means actual effective distance to shoot missiles at is what? 3/4th to 7/8th of written max distance?

But i see no reason to not throw additional decimal(s) in tooltip. It is not time consuming, nor is it useful.

Excuse me while I accuse of you being a poor pilot.

Peace

D.

Well, there is no message for when you activate guns at something while out of optimal/falloff. Because you're supposed to know those values, at it is what makes you a god pilot. Knowing your missiles range falls in the same category.





How nice of you. Still wondering whether i should report that for trolling or non-constructive posting. Well, at least when i reply to someone i don't need to do personal attacks, because i'm able to throw arguments as to why i disagree with what's being said.

I'd like to see tye range fix, but as to OP, no. As a long time user of missiles, I can honestly say that in 99.999% of all cases, that extra distance does not matter.

Consider that decimal to be 0, you will not hit out to that range unless the stars align perfect and your target dont move

this really.

And the magical fudge factor you have to apply to be under the paper number given anyway to account for missile ramping up, target moving, etc.

Basically firing from bleeding edge of range is bad for starters. Going from type int to type float and representing output not changing much. You are still creeping in at least a few km's, a few km's at x decimal point precision not helping much. As well....even the whole number fudge factor Is more art than science really. My comfort zone may/will be different from others.

Would there be harm in this? No. Would it be worth the time if an explicit type casting done...not really as not even sure where the casting is done (is the range at the top of a list of calcs explicit float then casted on output, or is it int explicit cast at the top?). 2 ships flying several hundreds of m/s on a non instant hit weapons system....int rounded down in this case a reasonable caveat really.

Think for a moment, would you? There's a reason I'm asking for this, not just to write a post about it.

To all the critics here, 1 KM DOES matter:

On the Raven, you'll have your ranges on the torps, around 15-30 KM, depending on skills and riggs. That is, interestingly, the very same range, that a lot of NPC's orbit you - knowing when to leave, for instance, your Sentry drones in bay, or if safe to take them out, makes the knowledge of the X factor 1 KM interesting to know.

On the Drake Fleet Issue, your HAM's will, with decent skills, top before 19, but after 18 KM. As the DFI is a speedy boat, and, as such, is a suitable fit for orbit-agressions. - Knowing your speeds, at 15500 Default orbit meters, and that of 16250, is IMPORTANT, as you will, depending on the last X factor KM, slide eiter in, or out, of attack range and, as such, either lose or gain your DPS. (Yes, I know, Many targets move around too, but, again on the DFI, you orbit @ around 1.000 - 1.700 meters,depending on fit, skils and boots - this makes your agressions on a slow target, very calcuable, IF you know your exact range on your missiles.

On the Golem: Torp-fit + Bastion module: Should I, or should I not leave bastion module? ARE my NPC's orbitting within my range, or not..?

Basicly, to make the most of your ships, to get the edges of your combat, you will want to know the flightrange on your missiles, and, as such, the last digit matters.

D.

Two things you need to remember:

a) missile range remains an approximation due to an undisclosed (afaik) acceleration variable. they don't come out the tubes at 100% speed.

b) If the enemy is moving then the direction of that movement matters making paper "range" nothing more than a hope and a prayer.

On a piece of paper and having the time to actually calculate all the things, yes you are correct that last digit would matter.
However in the practical make a decision right now world of EvE that last digit is irrelevant.

But let's just for discussion say you had that last digit and set up a theoretical situation and give you that 1 digit on your range.

Your missiles range is 19,000.3 kilometers.

We are in a perfect world so you and your target are stationary(0 velocity) so the range does not change mid flight and the missile does not have to fly any extra distance to catch your moving target.

Your overview lists range to target as 19,000 kilometers.

Now the important question will your missiles hit your target or fall short?

Not with missiles. These aren't fire away at max range weapons. Beside the above tech stuff covered (ramp up for example) they lack instant hit that makes this more viable like with turrets. Just need that target to be in range that one second when calculations stop time, look at target info at that time, runs the numbers, and says lucky you , arty hit and hit big. You know this in milliseconds. Missiles...its like american idol. We will tell you who won this week.....after a long commercial break.


Guess they don't teach this anymore but when I started long ago (and it was as missile chucking caldari) you picked up a nifty little trick. Does wonders, give it a go really.

Take max range, take a percentage of it away. This was your best as you can get actual max range. The exact opposite of your missing km. But a better way to do it really. As you get better applied damage potentially. Since chance of missile hit increases (missiles that don't hit don't add to dps totals). My fudge factor if the pvp god liked me covered ramp up and hopefully any creative flying that missile may have to do.


Best since lacking hard equations from CCP (and we can't guess from fitting tools in game or out of game) its all you really had.

I settled to around 10%. I have seen other percentages. Player taste and case by case here as always.

Say 80 km's. 80 -8 = 72 kms. This was my more realistic max range. Put in paper max range of choice for weapons.

This more art than science to compensate for ramp up time and all the other factors mentioned. Worth noting this just max range, I got closer to actually hit stuff better. 72 in this case was the range at which I knew if over, I am pissing away ammo.