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A formal request to the CoCaP

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-10-20 19:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tengu Grib
I have two Bachelor degrees from one of my countries most prestigious Universities. I haven't been unemployed for more than two weeks, except while being a full time student. I've never collected EI, even when I was eligible, and am in fact currently at work with a brief lull in office activity granting me the time to check the forums. I work in private education helping my cities students achieve their academic dreams and become contributing members of society.
I dress well (thanks to my wife's excellent fashion sense) and shower daily, twice if I've worked out. While a bit overweight my Doctor tells me not to worry about it, just not to let it go any further.
My musical preferences are a combination orchestral music, symphonies, and Death Metal (if that combination seems unusual to you, I assure you it's very logical). I drive a 2007 fully loaded Honda Accord, it has 160 thousand kilometers on it and is excellent condition. I plan on replacing it with a brand new Accord in another year or two.

But you don't actually care about any of that, you just saw some people having fun on the forum and felt that was unacceptable, you just had to try and squash it, "no fun allowed! Spaceships are serious business!" I imagine you said to yourself in a stoic, emotionless voice.

EDIT: Also I speak both English and French (though my French is weakening with disuse) and I'm learning bits and pieces of Hindi and tiny amounts of Spanish.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-10-20 19:52:25 UTC
Your honor,
I will be glad to join the Jury on this case as its a whopper. I can't promise i will be fair, but i will give you 15% of what ever bribes the parties in question may give me.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three

Moon Moon Burdy
New Eden Tech Support
#43 - 2015-10-20 20:30:03 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Tell you what to spice things up I will take Defense? Prosecution? Bob I'm confused about this thread who is who? I'll be the 'other guys representative to uphold fairness and my impartial image.

Both parties send me your respective evidences and Case 00013 is now active and the greater crime and punishment community shall the the judges of this case. Checks this post for updates on where which Jury member stands in Thermal Damage (Leto Thule) vs Vik Arbosa (Noragen Neirfallas) in the matter of the theft of 1.3bil isk and who is the real Nitshe ALT in this case. Let the games begin Proceedings Commence

Original accuser in C&P - Thermal Damage
Prosecution - Leto Thule
Accused in C&P - Vik Arbosa
Defence - Noragen Neirfallas
Court Adviser - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie

Jury Members - (Still to step forward)


I see that only two jurors have thus far stepped forward. In the interest of sweet buttery justice, I offer my services as an impartial, fair and highly affordable juror.

By the way, my ailing grandmother is a few iskies shy for her monthly supply of Mindflood. Any help would be appreciated. *cough* send iskies *cough*

Things that went boom

Storytime with Moon Moon New stories semi frequently-ish!

Promising Young Murderer, Education Appreciated.

Paranoid Loyd
#44 - 2015-10-20 21:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Never been unemployed, have worked since I was 15 and have supported myself 100% since I was 18. Currently putting in at least 60 hours a week as an operations manager building a small manufacturing company. We have at least doubled our revenue for 5 consecutive years while maintaining a 60%+ gross margin, all the while I have been shiptoasting and shooting space pixels. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Not Amarr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-10-20 22:16:13 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
Your honor,
I will be glad to join the Jury on this case as its a whopper. I can't promise i will be fair, but i will give you 15% of what ever bribes the parties in question may give me.



Priceless

Quote:
I wish to file a complaint of Libel against one of the Plaintiffs in this case as a private citizen of New Eden.

I would like to bring to the courts attention that while some of us are not members of the jury nor members of the court, and may merely witnesses in the stands (thousands of us for that matter, perhaps). I would like plaintiff to understand that most of us are hardworking citizens of this universe who earn our own paycheck through hard work and dedication, and do not partake of the people's money through their tax contributions to society through such benefits or other monetary programs. We do, on occasion, take breaks and stay current with the proceedings of this court. I find it very troubling that the plaintiffs in this case chose to resorts to name calling and personal attacks on members of this court, its officers, or the witnesses thereof.


Thats the spirit!
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#46 - 2015-10-20 22:17:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortlake
Chewie Chewie wrote:

Get off welfair, get a job, learn a language, help out the poor, become a capitalist. Do something and try to accomplish something in life rather than wasting away in a chair, in front of a 11 inch monitor, and weighing 200kg.



I've been a systems analyst and project management consultant for over 10 years and prior to that worked network support and systems admin. I've had my own consultancy business for the last five years (and I must have been doing something right as none of my kids appear to have scurvy). I recently started to work part time for a charity specialising in assisting people with learning disabilities to live independently, primarily because I was sick of shutting down my laptop each day and feeling unfulfilled. I'm now looking at a total career change into social care because I've fallen in love with actually getting up each day and feeling like I've done something to make the world a better place for someone.

I also **** with nubs because why not?

You can start throwing ******* roses at me now.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...

Not Amarr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-10-20 22:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Amarr
I'm applying as a jury as well.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-10-20 22:27:57 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
Chewie Chewie wrote:

Get off welfair, get a job, learn a language, help out the poor, become a capitalist. Do something and try to accomplish something in life rather than wasting away in a chair, in front of a 11 inch monitor, and weighing 200kg.



I've been a systems analyst and project management consultant for over 10 years and prior to that worked network support and systems admin. I've had my own consultancy business for the last five years (and I must have been doing something right as none of my kids appear to have scurvy). I recently started to work part time for a charity specialising in assisting people with learning disabilities to live independently, primarily because I was sick of shutting down my laptop each day and feeling unfulfilled. I'm now looking at a total career change into social care because I've fallen in love with actually getting up each day and feeling like I've done something to make the world a better place for someone.

I also **** with nubs because why not?

You can start throwing ******* roses at me now.


I would recommend joining the local volunteer fire department. I have been a volly since I was 16... its a great way to keep busy and help out.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Not Amarr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2015-10-20 22:29:27 UTC
Chewie Chewie wrote:
Whilst I appreciate the creativity of this forum and thread, the lot of you are morons. Spending your time day in and out in a digital court room session, playing endless hours of video games, is a useless waste of an existence.

Get off welfair, get a job, learn a language, help out the poor, become a capitalist. Do something and try to accomplish something in life rather than wasting away in a chair, in front of a 11 inch monitor, and weighing 200kg.


This court pretty much got hijacked. :/

Quote:
I wish to file a complaint of Libel against one of the Plaintiffs in this case as a private citizen of New Eden.

I would like to bring to the courts attention that while some of us are not members of the jury nor members of the court, and may merely witnesses in the stands (thousands of us for that matter, perhaps). I would like plaintiff to understand that most of us are hardworking citizens of this universe who earn our own paycheck through hard work and dedication, and do not partake of the people's money through their tax contributions to society through such benefits or other monetary programs. We do, on occasion, take breaks and stay current with the proceedings of this court. I find it very troubling that the plaintiffs in this case chose to resorts to name calling and personal attacks on members of this court, its officers, or the witnesses thereof.


Thats the spirit!

Should we go on with business?
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-10-20 22:34:07 UTC
Not Amarr wrote:
Chewie Chewie wrote:
Whilst I appreciate the creativity of this forum and thread, the lot of you are morons. Spending your time day in and out in a digital court room session, playing endless hours of video games, is a useless waste of an existence.

Get off welfair, get a job, learn a language, help out the poor, become a capitalist. Do something and try to accomplish something in life rather than wasting away in a chair, in front of a 11 inch monitor, and weighing 200kg.


This court pretty much got hijacked. :/

Quote:
I wish to file a complaint of Libel against one of the Plaintiffs in this case as a private citizen of New Eden.

I would like to bring to the courts attention that while some of us are not members of the jury nor members of the court, and may merely witnesses in the stands (thousands of us for that matter, perhaps). I would like plaintiff to understand that most of us are hardworking citizens of this universe who earn our own paycheck through hard work and dedication, and do not partake of the people's money through their tax contributions to society through such benefits or other monetary programs. We do, on occasion, take breaks and stay current with the proceedings of this court. I find it very troubling that the plaintiffs in this case chose to resorts to name calling and personal attacks on members of this court, its officers, or the witnesses thereof.


Thats the spirit!

Should we go on with business?


It wasnt hijacked. Everyone stopped to stomp on the protester.

I am afraid that based on your accusation and intention to derail the current regime, you must complete your thunderdome match before being allowed to sit on jury.

Long live the Inquisition.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Not Amarr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-10-20 23:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Amarr
Leto Thule wrote:


It wasnt hijacked. Everyone stopped to stomp on the protester.

I am afraid that based on your accusation and intention to derail the current regime, you must complete your thunderdome match before being allowed to sit on jury.

Long live the Inquisition.


People want to see a more detailed explanation on why the evidence is fake. Do you want to taint your reputation by siding with a potential corp thief that hasn't done anything for his defense, backed up by a professional scammer that states, a compressed screenshot with reduced resolution must be fake? It's not right to think Mr. Arbosa faked his only evidence, when there is a clear chance that Sir Thermal aka Nitche is abusing his reputation and ties to the judge and counsel of defense to ultimately get immunity from prosecution.
It is you choice to render this court impotent. Mr. Neirfallas clearly disqualified himself in representing his client's credibility through a camp fire story and clearly psychotic maniacal laughter. The client resigned all his fair chances through hopelessness and self ironic statements. Only a cold hearted Inquisitor with no empathy at all would instantly sentence Vik Arbosa guilty without even asking about any intents and possible motives. I appeal to the judges honor and abilities to not cover a misruled judgement with the intimidating thunderdome.

I will accept the challenge, once justice is served. Else, it will be hard to tell this apart from a derivative of a "pod or post" threat. Looking at the state of evidence more detailed, Mr. Arbosa might actually be extorted himself to create a pop-threat. Instead he decided to hurt Mr. Thermal's seemingly impenetrable reputation through character bazaar. It's a clear David vs. Goliath.
Ellen Madullier
Savage Moon Society
#52 - 2015-10-20 23:34:12 UTC
This is y i nvver dun ne api checkues whin I was a CEO LOL the spies gunna get in ne way na mean so might as well just open the gates and hav fun :) ^_^ eve is a game wher players make the contint

SUPER MODLEL ELLEN MADULLIER - BELLE EXPLORATEUR de NEW EDEN

Not Amarr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-10-20 23:47:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Amarr
Ellen Madullier wrote:
This is y i nvver dun ne api checkues whin I was a CEO LOL the spies gunna get in ne way na mean so might as well just open the gates and hav fun :) ^_^ eve is a game wher players make the contint


Fairly spoken!

And why is my credibility questioned and I'm suspected of the accusant himself of being an alt? Everybody believes Mr. Arbosa is a main character, when he's only a couple months old. And if Mr. Thermal and the rest of the court is so confident in that belief, they seem to think a supposed "Newbie" takes all the effort to fake evidence in order to hurt the sell value of an established player, that clearly has to have more experience in deception.

PS: This isn't even my mother tongue. So, hard workers, believe my words!
JudgeDredd Esq
Court of Adirain
#54 - 2015-10-21 00:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: JudgeDredd Esq
It seems that the accuracy of the evidence or possible spoliation is at issue? Perhaps a change in venue is needed? I would be more than happy to take this case on through the Adirain District Court and Court of Common Tears. Mr. Thermal, a Son of our beloved Adirain by adoption, should be entitled to a fair trial as well as all other parties involved. I, Judge Dredd, have a long and outstanding history of ruling fairly, albeit most ruling do tend to be in favor of the falsely accused corp theifs. I advise for a motion in change of venue.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-10-21 02:09:12 UTC
JudgeDredd Esq wrote:
It seems that the accuracy of the evidence or possible spoliation is at issue? Perhaps a change in venue is needed? I would be more than happy to take this case on through the Adirain District Court and Court of Common Tears. Mr. Thermal, a Son of our beloved Adirain by adoption, should be entitled to a fair trial as well as all other parties involved. I, Judge Dredd, have a long and outstanding history of ruling fairly, albeit most ruling do tend to be in favor of the falsely accused corp theifs. I advise for a motion in change of venue.


The Inquisition, by definition, does not defer. However I would be open to your ruling on this matter as Judge Noragen seems to have taken too many of the new cerebral boosters..

As it stands, the following matters present themselves to the court:

1) The court must rule on a proposed thunderdome match between the Lord Inquisitor and the newcomer, Not Amarr. If Amarr wishes to sit in service to the court, he must oneveeoneatsun in cruisers vs myself. Thunderdome rules apply.

2) The court must rule on evidence entered as presented. I will urge the court to consider the fact that the CEO in question deleted all his posts and some images after their validity came into question.

3) The court must rule on the prosecutions conditions. The CEO of bros before holes must pay a sum of 3b ISK to Thermal Damage as reparations for defamation of character, or face a fleet of the Inquisition at their doorstep.

We await your ruling.


Long live the Inquisition.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

JudgeDredd Esq
Court of Adirain
#56 - 2015-10-21 02:35:16 UTC  |  Edited by: JudgeDredd Esq
This is interesting. I would agree with your assessment. Given your second statement; that the plaintiff in this case knowingly destroyed evidence that has already been entered and cannot meet their burden of proof, then this should be thrown out of court. I feel defense should be compensated for any costs associated with their defense as well, 3B seems like an appropriate sum. This of course, is much different than Adirainin law, whereas the guilty and worthless are exiled to Shadow Cartel.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#57 - 2015-10-21 03:33:06 UTC
Ellen Madullier wrote:
This is y i nvver dun ne api checkues whin I was a CEO LOL the spies gunna get in ne way na mean so might as well just open the gates and hav fun :) ^_^ eve is a game wher players make the contint

As I do not know 2 languages could somebody who speaks whatever this is translate it for me please?

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#58 - 2015-10-21 03:37:03 UTC
JudgeDredd Esq wrote:
It seems that the accuracy of the evidence or possible spoliation is at issue? Perhaps a change in venue is needed? I would be more than happy to take this case on through the Adirain District Court and Court of Common Tears. Mr. Thermal, a Son of our beloved Adirain by adoption, should be entitled to a fair trial as well as all other parties involved. I, Judge Dredd, have a long and outstanding history of ruling fairly, albeit most ruling do tend to be in favor of the falsely accused corp theifs. I advise for a motion in change of venue.

I'm going to have to shoot this one down based on the following
Quote:
I, Judge Dredd,have a long and outstanding history of ruling fairly

Your posting history disagrees

As no Member of the C&P community has stepped up to take on this position though and the case does seem to need some guidance I shall go full split personality and take this job too Shocked
Blink
Twisted
Straight

CoolCool

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#59 - 2015-10-21 03:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
Leto Thule wrote:

As it stands, the following matters present themselves to the court:

1) The court must rule on a proposed thunderdome match between the Lord Inquisitor and the newcomer, Not Amarr. If Amarr wishes to sit in service to the court, he must oneveeoneatsun in cruisers vs myself. Thunderdome rules apply.

2) The court must rule on evidence entered as presented. I will urge the court to consider the fact that the CEO in question deleted all his posts and some images after their validity came into question.

3) The court must rule on the prosecutions conditions. The CEO of bros before holes must pay a sum of 3b ISK to Thermal Damage as reparations for defamation of character, or face a fleet of the Inquisition at their doorstep.

We await your ruling.


Long live the Inquisition.

1) The Court rules that Not Amarr must undertake a Classic Thunderdome match with Classic Rules against Leto Thule. Betting on the event is encouraged

2) Evidence is evidence is evidence. Make of it what you will. The court doesn't need to rule on the validity of the evidence however use whatever arguments you wish about the evidence to sway our Jury

I would also like to take this time to point out that the highest form of evidence has only been presented by one side Blink

3) This is of course pending a favorable outcome for Thermal Damage as the case is still undecided

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

Not Amarr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-10-21 11:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Amarr
"2) The court must rule on evidence entered as presented. I will urge the court to consider the fact that the CEO in question deleted all his posts and some images after their validity came into question. "

This is intentional misinformation. There is no evidence, that this CEO, unless it is the indictee himself, ever postet in this thread.

Ruling on destruction of evidence is a joke. It's still there, if you look at the quotes. Maybe the person in question edited the evidence post out of panic because of bad reputation of the legislatures and misuse of the evidence? The screenshots lack basic safety measures, such as blurring out vital informations like chat windows, system informations etc. that are irrelevant for the current case. Presenting them in this forum, especially after realizing that the accusant, the defender and the judge openly advertise and support each other, is a tragic slip.
The sheer incompetence continues as nobody asks the accused what might have been his motives for this action. The lack of effort after this incident of Mr. Arbosa to further defend himself and prove his authenticity itself is a resignation from dealing with the practises of this court. It is viewed as a protest until proven otherwise.