EVE General Discussion

Wrong

Sorry, but normal gamers are a bit odd. They seem to be channelling their unrealised aggression via an online setting. You can spot them a mile off ingame or on forums, partly because 'gamers' are a curious breed of people. Only reason I know is that I tend to pull these, then go back to their house and have substandard sexual encounters whilst staring at some sort of superhero poster, or at least I did. Now I recognise these are a different breed of nerd to me, and whilst we fascinate each other, they're crap in bed. I'd rather step across that and talk to people with more diverse interests inline with my own, and they are here too. But they're being drowned out by a wider gamer culture that undermines this niche game, which is actually storyline based.

It's the diversity that has made this community unique - especially the writers. And writing or leading ingame means being 'fearless' in all sorts of ways. As does soloing. It doesn't fit with the dominant gamer paradigm and there's been a marked shift in the last few years towards a grindy-pimp MMO. The people who are most inline with CCP in terms of attitude and being 'fearless' have been downtrodden by banal gamers and expectations they imported from other games. Well, **** them.

You're just going to have to learn to lose digital items with good humour, whether you paid for them with time or cash.

And the rest who are fearless better start showing it off, if anything just to annoy everyone else :)

A couple of things:

1. As I'm sure you people already know (as any time anyone mentions a problem with EVE the first thing you do is check the killboards and then bash them for losing a ship and call them stupid) I have not lost anything. I'm entirely not emotional right now. I'm just pointing out what's obvious to anybody who doesn't invest a large amount of his or her wellbeing in their ability to grief people in EVE.

2. The lectures on the EVE mindset, etc... are pretty humorous to me. I won't bother telling you what I do in real life, because it'll just spawn more flaming and disbelief. But it's much harder, much more unforgiving, and much more rewarding than anything that happens in EVE, I promise you. So, I get what you're saying -- I really do. But, see, EVE is a game. And somewhere in the definition of a game is some sort of enjoyable experience. And EVE, compared to many other games that are equal parts hard and fulfilling, has a pretty poor fun:difficulty ratio. And it's mostly related to the awful sorts of people who play it the most, like it the most, and lawyer the rules against less experienced players.

Cheers,

Meykud

So go make a brand new game that's copy pasted with all the qualities of other games that are so popular and see how the money making goes...

Can you understand though that there is no single definition of what "enjoyable experience" means?

In a kind of twisted way, Eve has the potential to appeal to a wider range of players than most other games, specifically because of it's freedoms and ability for people to choose what they want to do.

It provides us all with the ability to find what we individually consider enjoyable experiences.

But in doing so, what you consider enjoyable might clash with an activity that someone else feels is enjoyable and at some point you win, while at another time you lose. It happens to everyone.


Ok. Fair enough. My misunderstanding.

Your writing is very aggressive and judgemental. It seems to be quite emotional, rather than the way most people write/talk normally.

So sorry for the mistake on my part.

I know right.

Isn't it nicer, in all those games, where you grind for gear, so you can then grind for better gear ?

You and me specifically?

Um....inquiring mind wants to know.....

Who ar eyou and what did you do with Mr. Epeen. Hacking a computer is a serious charge man.

I know it's an over-used analogy, but this guy is a vegan, and walked into a steak house, and is appalled (appalled I tell you) at all the meat consumption going on here.

The bolded part is the big tell here. This person has come to this game (whether it was yesterday or 12 years ago) with a really faulty expectation, and when the game doesn't live up to that expectation, he doesn't like it.

Anyone wanna link him the post where CCP suggests that there is no evidence that any of the stuff he complains about hurts retention?

EVE is exactly what YOU make it.

You pay 15 bucks for 30 days server access. Unless you are the sort of asshat who buys plex to spend on officer fit kit to rat in lowsec everything you stand to lose has no tangible value and is provided for you by ccp.

Its quite possible to find corners of EVE where you'll never see another player. I found a very nice nullsec system in a dead end, parked a bubble alt on the gate and sat happily ratting with my officer fit Nyx and never saw another player in that system.

You only get scammed if you are stupid enough to go to somewhere like Jita and interact in local, or let a complete stranger into your corp. you only get ganked if you have zero situational awareness, are afk, drunk or asleep.

You can go through life in eve and never be touched by any oth the issues you mention. I went into a newbro system yesterday and they were chatting in local giving their asteroids pet names. Hardly the pit of misery you describe. I went on a 25 jump through lowsec and didn't see a single camp.

Really, people whine silly about things but the galaxy is huge and its perfectly possible to find quiet places away from it all and enjoy whatever you want to do.

Eve is the perfect game for me. All the things you listed as negatives I found to be positive experiences both on the giving and getting side of the interactions. I always have to think through what my limitations are in every situation, what my advantages are and I have to really think about what the other player will perceive and do in a certain situation.

I miss can-flipping for just that. But as has been pointed out in many other threads, CCP HAS thought the things you say in the OP and they HAVE tried to change things to protect the unwary, the unthinking and the unteachable. And they have hurt their product by doing so. Its easily arguable that as they made the game safer and less challenging tfor the type of player who expects protection from their own mistakes that the number of players has dropped. When it was harsher, there were more players.

Some of us still persist in pushing things. Its in our nature and Eve still lets us try to do something unique and different. But our options have been increasingly narrowed. Where there used to be can-flippers, like me, ninja salvagers, awoxers, and all variety of mischievious pranksters there are now just gankers. Lots and lots of gankers. Pushed into one style of play and organized now into a common effort. The nerfs made us what we have become. Its a bit late for the carebears to complain about what their creations are doing to them.