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Investigation on D-ston, Report
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Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-01-06 01:03:39 UTC
While slated to be a completely private and benign act, this has obviously grown far larger than I conceived. Still, based on how this has turned out, it is my duty to report my findings in regard to the D-Ston and potential terrorist links.

The investigation of the Deciples of Ston was to determine whether or not the Deciples of Ston where, in fact, a humanitarian organization, or a republic military agency. Not being permitted to directly inspect their facilities in any way, I am forced to use only the information that I have available to me. Having reviewed the evidence found thus far I am ready to make my conclusions on the matter.

Deciples of Ston have refused inspection,
Garnered support from hostile Republic forces,
Preformed multiple breaches of proticol resulting in placing Empire personal in risk,
Have conducted themselves greatly opposed to the Empire.
Holding slavers for crimes which are not illegal in the empire.
And with no clear or redeemable evidence to the contrary...

My findings is that the Deciples of Ston have a high probability of being involved in republic military operations. However there is no evidence of direct involvement with combat operations.


Follows is my recommended course of action to be taken by loyal Empire forces against the Deciples of Ston to weed out hostile forces from Empire space.

It is under my oppinion that the D-ston operations should be haulted within empire space and ships and facilities to be impounded for further investigation. Due to the non-combatant nature of the Deciples of ston, crew death is not advised.

Proper procedure for engaging a D-ston asset is to immobilize it and strip it down to its hull. During this time the pilot should be given the chance to abandon ship. In which case his crew shall be taken into prisoner and questioned. Failing abandoning ship, rights to destroy should be permitted.

Of higher importance is the D-ston facilities, including a prison facility of Amarrian citizens. I would recommend disabling the command center of their facilities and taking all personal on planet as prisoner. Any accurate information about the whereabouts of these facilities shall be rewarded.

It should be remembered that it is illegal to take slaves from non-Amarrian sources. Prisoners whom are found to be innocent of criminal involvement should be released after which time this concludes.

This concludes my investigation report and my recommendation of action against the D-Ston.

For God and Empire
Thgil Goldcore
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

"Run and you shall be crushed. Stand and you will fall. Kneel and you will be saved"
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-01-06 01:11:43 UTC
Oh my, how the mighty have fallen, indeed.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#3 - 2012-01-06 01:39:57 UTC
Looks like diplomacy was too much effort for you. I suggest you get someone else to do this properly, your report and dare I suggest even the possibility of any investigation ever happenining, is a complete farce.

If you wanted to bully around a non combat neutral organisation, you didn't need to go to such ridiculous lengths.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-01-06 01:45:38 UTC
While I'm genuinely saddened to hear this official recommendation I can't say I'm surprised given the way things progressed. Miss Goldcore professes to only wish to minimize the risk of independent corporations actively working within Imperial borders against the Empire, and I see no reason to doubt her in that regard. However I can't help but notice that the recommended course of action is, by another name, called piracy. Granted piracy and state sponsored interdiction and customs enforcement is essentially the same thing with one group simply having permission. All the same I fear this might inadvertently set some sort of precedent for less reputable people to use and abuse.

This recommendation reminds me of something my grandmother used to say, "Every time you open your mouth to speak, you run the terrible risk of someone listening to you."
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-01-06 01:48:23 UTC
What a pity, it looks like a bloodbath is inevitable after all....

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#6 - 2012-01-06 02:07:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aphoxema G
Wow, I did not see this coming at all. I am just so totally surprised right now. My head, it is spinning from the sheer amazement I am experiencing from these incredibly unlikely events.
Half Cocked Jack
Un4seen Development
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-01-06 02:46:57 UTC
Quote:
Having reviewed the evidence found thus far I am ready to make my conclusions on the matter.
...
However there is no evidence...


Beautifully reasoned! I love it when a witch hunt just crams its own absurdity right in your face like that without any guile or shame. You and Vaari should start and act together. I would be an avid follower.
Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#8 - 2012-01-06 02:46:58 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:

My findings is that the Deciples of Ston have a high probability of being involved in republic military operations. However there is no evidence of direct involvement with combat operations.


Oh, good. I was worried the Disciples of Ston were being condemned.

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#9 - 2012-01-06 03:21:36 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:

It should be remembered that it is illegal to take slaves from non-Amarrian sources.

Can you cite a legit source for this? This isn't some capsuleer urban legend is it? Just asking cause if it is true, then the Imperial Navy considers sovereign Republic space to be an Amarrian source for slaves.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#10 - 2012-01-06 03:39:44 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
While slated to be a completely private and benign act, this has obviously grown far larger than I conceived. Still, based on how this has turned out, it is my duty to report my findings in regard to the D-Ston and potential terrorist links.

The investigation of the Deciples of Ston was to determine whether or not the Deciples of Ston where, in fact, a humanitarian organization, or a republic military agency. Not being permitted to directly inspect their facilities in any way, I am forced to use only the information that I have available to me. Having reviewed the evidence found thus far I am ready to make my conclusions on the matter.

Deciples of Ston have refused inspection,
Garnered support from hostile Republic forces,
Preformed multiple breaches of proticol resulting in placing Empire personal in risk,
Have conducted themselves greatly opposed to the Empire.
Holding slavers for crimes which are not illegal in the empire.
And with no clear or redeemable evidence to the contrary...

My findings is that the Deciples of Ston have a high probability of being involved in republic military operations. However there is no evidence of direct involvement with combat operations.


Follows is my recommended course of action to be taken by loyal Empire forces against the Deciples of Ston to weed out hostile forces from Empire space.

It is under my oppinion that the D-ston operations should be haulted within empire space and ships and facilities to be impounded for further investigation. Due to the non-combatant nature of the Deciples of ston, crew death is not advised.

Proper procedure for engaging a D-ston asset is to immobilize it and strip it down to its hull. During this time the pilot should be given the chance to abandon ship. In which case his crew shall be taken into prisoner and questioned. Failing abandoning ship, rights to destroy should be permitted.

Of higher importance is the D-ston facilities, including a prison facility of Amarrian citizens. I would recommend disabling the command center of their facilities and taking all personal on planet as prisoner. Any accurate information about the whereabouts of these facilities shall be rewarded.

It should be remembered that it is illegal to take slaves from non-Amarrian sources. Prisoners whom are found to be innocent of criminal involvement should be released after which time this concludes.

This concludes my investigation report and my recommendation of action against the D-Ston.

For God and Empire
Thgil Goldcore
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

"Run and you shall be crushed. Stand and you will fall. Kneel and you will be saved"


Oh, this is rich.

You intend to arrest and detain members of a neutral organization based on evidence you weren't able to verify after threatening an illegal search-and-seizure, while imprisoning entire planetary populations and ripping vessels to their spaceframes in search of some nebulous 'enemy of the state' that may exist solely in your own fevered mind?

Good luck.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Myxx
The Scope
#11 - 2012-01-06 03:57:31 UTC
this does not look good for pie.
Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#12 - 2012-01-06 04:37:12 UTC
Myxx wrote:
this does not look good for pie.


Seconded.

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~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~
Verone
Veto Corp
#13 - 2012-01-06 04:45:53 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
... Having reviewed the evidence ...


Thgil Goldcore wrote:
... However there is no evidence ...


Want to pass around whatever you're smoking?

Honestly, why even waste the bandwidth on this contradictory tripe.

Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-06 05:28:51 UTC
I gave him our demands. Made sure our warnings where clear. Gave plenty of chances to consider his decisions and discuss the matter with me. They made their choice and I intend on following up on what I have established I would do. They have decided to conduct themselves as an enemy to the empire, and thus will be treated as such.

If my investigation was carried out to the fullest extent possible. There is a large chance of error, granted, but with no evidence of their innocence, I am forced to conclude biased on what information I do have. If, in time, they are found to have been innocent the entire time, I will not be apologetic... This was THEIR choice. If they did not wish to withstand the outcome of their choices, they shouldn't have made them in the first place.

Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people.
Sanadras Riahn
Turbo Nuclear Pirate Punch
#15 - 2012-01-06 05:53:29 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:

If my investigation was carried out to the fullest extent possible. There is a large chance of error, granted, but with no evidence of their innocence, I am forced to conclude biased on what information I do have.


They offered you the opportunity to come to their facilities and investigate to your heart's content. The only thing you had to do was attend with a party of the other side of the argument. It sounds like you were going to make them an enemy to the state regardless, and were just hunting for an excuse. And when they called your bluff, you just throw your hands in the air and go "oh well, I tried!"?

If this is a representation of the actual Imperial Crusade, I suggest a new strategy for the Minmatar militia: Stand on your side of the boundry, taunt them with "come get me!", then laugh as they throw their hands in the air and give up, declaring they won because we didn't fight on their terms.

Tradition defines and shapes a person, but should be evaluated frequently; far too often does Tradition no longer help, but hobble a person and stunt their growth. Especially a Capsuleer.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#16 - 2012-01-06 06:00:32 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
I gave him our demands. Made sure our warnings where clear. Gave plenty of chances to consider his decisions and discuss the matter with me. They made their choice and I intend on following up on what I have established I would do. They have decided to conduct themselves as an enemy to the empire, and thus will be treated as such.

If my investigation was carried out to the fullest extent possible. There is a large chance of error, granted, but with no evidence of their innocence, I am forced to conclude biased on what information I do have. If, in time, they are found to have been innocent the entire time, I will not be apologetic... This was THEIR choice. If they did not wish to withstand the outcome of their choices, they shouldn't have made them in the first place.

Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people.


You didn't listen to them when they were perfectly amenable to letting your inspection proceed as long as there were representatives of all the involved parties included to maintain accountability.

But again, you don't want accountability. You want to be able to quietly swoop in and enact your Empire's will without any oversight. You want to do an end-run around any laws that don't work to your advantage, and you don't want anyone to see you do it.

Well, guess what? You got caught.

Take it on the chin, Goldcore, because your poorly-built house of cards has just come crashing down.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-01-06 06:13:57 UTC
It did? I hadn't noticed.

Perhaps it may be because of how irrelevant your opinion is on this matter. Oh no, Enemies of the empire don't like the Empire.

As laid out prior, and apparently ignored. The mere idea of having hostile forces take part of the investigation is absurd. Perhaps a party from the State, that may have been agreeable... But ultimately unnecessary.

At the end of the day, I will get to the bottom of this case and find the truth. If they wish to take it the hard way, so be it. If you read the communications I made every attempt at giving them a fair shake at this. You can read, for yourself since it became public, exactly what was offered and suggested.

Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#18 - 2012-01-06 07:18:22 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
I gave him our demands. Made sure our warnings where clear. Gave plenty of chances to consider his decisions and discuss the matter with me. They made their choice and I intend on following up on what I have established I would do. They have decided to conduct themselves as an enemy to the empire, and thus will be treated as such.

If my investigation was carried out to the fullest extent possible. There is a large chance of error, granted, but with no evidence of their innocence, I am forced to conclude biased on what information I do have. If, in time, they are found to have been innocent the entire time, I will not be apologetic... This was THEIR choice. If they did not wish to withstand the outcome of their choices, they shouldn't have made them in the first place.

Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people.



Wow, they'll let any blue pill addled shuttle jockey into PIE now it seems. Surely no sober CONCORD-licensed pilot with an ounce of intelligence, a modicum of tact or a shred of humility would issue forth such a load of utter CRAP.

Goldcore your argument is so full of logical inconsistencies, legal misunderstandings and sheer hubris that it's breathtaking.

PIE used to stand for something. I obviously never agreed with their philosophy but, as a group, they operated with integrity. With this debacle however, they can no longer lay claim to any kind of moral superiority. PIE is now nothing more than a cheap extortion and piracy racket, albeit one with pretty stationery and nice uniforms.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2012-01-06 10:09:01 UTC
The PIE directorate will study this report and its recommendations.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#20 - 2012-01-06 10:42:08 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people.


Then hear it from a neutral point of view. You're being an idiot and digging your hole further.

Thgil Goldcore wrote:
As laid out prior, and apparently ignored. The mere idea of having hostile forces take part of the investigation is absurd.


It's not absurd they spectate, you just don't like it. Huge difference there, and you've failed to give any logical reason as to why it'd be so crazy a notion.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
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