EVE General Discussion

" Everyone can scam - and so can you

Never grant corporation rights to stuff you can't afford to lose either. No exceptions.
People offering free stuff? Probably traps. Be cautious.
Free stuff usually isn't. Not even minerals you mine yourself.
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Paranoia pays off here. Double-check everything.
Scamming and unethical behavior some would consider griefing is not only allowed, it is encouraged and rewarded by the game mechanics. LOLZ
Harrasment or real-life threats are not ok, and you can get a shiny ban for them. Learn the difference. "

So just saying, I think this would be a good time, and thread, for all those that have ever scammed/stole/received something that was not legit, even if it was an accidental market order, to post here when CCP received complaints and took the stuff back and gave it back to its' rightful owner.

I will start by saying that an accidental market order, in which I was holding a baby while inputting a retriever on market, to the end that I added an extra zero, ended up with CCP not only refunding the purchase to the buyer, but also never giving me back my retriever. This was not a petition, just logged in, wallet was negative balance, no retriever ever given back. So not an intentional scam, but could be considered a scam, at the very least buyer beware. BUT NOOOPPEE. CCP strikes again. No 300 million isk retriever selling for you!

Share your stories and we at least can get a laugh :) This one is for the forum trolls.

I had a buy order for a vigilant on the market for a few days that was around 10 mil below market price. Logged on after awhile and got impatient and just decided to buy one for market price. Little while later was messing around on the assets tab and noticed I had two vigilant's in that station.

Uh oh what did I do was the first thing that crossed my mind but when I went back through the market logs I saw that somehow the fellow sold me one of the vigilant's for 7 mil. So that was pretty cool I guess.

Consider yourself lucky. Some of us have at least 4 times where things have been taken back...

LOL. asset relocation. It WAS in your item hangar, now it is in MINE! FTW.

I have had erroneous station trading scams taken back.

*The "legitimate" scam. I mean, really. Is there such a thing as a legitimate scam, even though what we discuss here are illegitimate scams? This looks like we're getting into a syntactical morass here. So (naturally) I Googled it.

scam: n. a dishonest scheme; a fraud, v. swindle

Well, okay. Online dictionaries may win arguments for you, but they still suck. HOWEVER, I'm not about to dig out a real dictionary for this. I'm not sure I can find my real dictionary anymore. I will (therefore) Google -

(dishonest) scheme: a clever plan to do or get something; an official plan or program of action;
the way that something is arranged or organized (The "dishonest" part we can assume would involve the
facts of said plan or program are in some fashion wholly or partially untrue.)

fraud: Deception deliberately practiced with a view to gaining an unlawful or unfair advantage; artifice by which the right or interest of another is injured; injurious stratagem; deceit; trick. (This is much more useful for our present purposes.)

swindle: To cheat defraud grossly, or with deliberate artifice; as, to swindle a man out of his property. (Ah! THIS is the gold mine. If those concerned would just use this word, and not "scam"!)

It's like playing Star Wars The Old Republic (SWTOR). You have the light side and dark side. Players assume the light side is angelic, heroic, exuding the highest qualities of positivity and virtue. Conversely (because light is the opposite of dark) they assume the dark side is rapt with evil, malevolent and generally the lowest possible qualities (which they then love to adopt for themselves as players believing being "dark" makes them somehow rebellious, dangerous, or both.)

However, the dark side has an empire equal to and often rivaling the light side. How, therefore, can a purely destructive order - one with no positive qualities, manage to create cities, an elaborate society, high technology and all the other accoutrement that are indicative of an advanced society?

Further, should you ask a member of this dark society if they are indeed willfully evil, they'll object and accuse you of confusion, claiming the light side is indeed the actual evil side. And, given Lucas's vagary on the subject of right and wrong, good and bad, evil and pure, this assumption the dark side is actually evil is a purely partisan slander on the part of the light side, who of course then claim they are the pure and stainless good guys!

Along the same line, in the movie Do The Right Thing, Radio Raheem (the guy with the particularly LOUD boombox) shows a set of brass knuckles to the camera. One says "Love." The other says "Hate." This presents an issue as using the two words creates two full sentences. "Love hate," and "Hate love," both of which are purely negative expressions in the parlance of Western Civilization. You cannot pull a positive out of any combination. It's an interesting verbal proof of adding a negative to a positive - it always comes out a negative. (The whole world is haunted? Lake Shore Drive - LSD?)

ANYWAY (ahem) It indeed seems a bit odd for someone to claim there is such a thing as a "legitimate scam" when the definition of the word "scam" reeks of illegitimacy (or, the word being used would be "scheme", or something similar.) Maybe you can see the La Brea Tarpit I'm pointing out here....maybe you can't. If you can't....
...I'd love to play poker with you.


*DISCLAIMER: This post is TOO LONG for those who have reading difficulties, or short attention spans. Also, it is TOO INVOLVED for people who have limited reasoning abilities, or whose senses of humor extend only as far as nut-crunching videos on YouTube, or watching "The Three Stooges." If you fit in any of the mentioned categories DON'T READ.

I have never scammed nor been scammed.

You people are not nice. Stop it!

I fudge buy and sell orders all the time tbh, but it's usually in the millions not billions thankfully. So probably have lost about as much as I've gained. And I send ISK to random people instead of my alts occasionally, woopsy. Did petition that once when it was a bill and the alt looked inactive (no avatar pic) and got it back. Pretty sure the GM was giggling at me, they usually seem amused by my petitions.

The only time I got ISK some guy bought a cap recharger from a sell order, clicked on the 670million one and because mine was the lowest listed the ISK went to me. A lot of people missunderstand how market mechanics work, and that it's not the seller scamming but their error. So I was going to send the ISK back.... maybe, then he sent me a few ranty ravy mails calling me a filthy scammer so I kept it. Still don't feel bad. He was rude! Didn't get reversed either, haha.

I used to list BPO sets that I'd bought for a few k (ammo, drones, mod kits etc) researched to ME 100 PE 100 then sell them at disgustingly high prices like 40-80m. But that's just gouging tbh, and the people buying seemed to be dimwits doing that 'I must collect everything in EvE Online even though I have no intention of using it and have no idea what it's actually for'. Not my fault they've got more money than sense. No one ever complained about those that I heard of.

I did notice a while back when I bought my first alt I think I may have sold 60 day GTCs at the price of 30 day >.> And I know the person who bought them since I talked to him ingame later. Might have been bothered if I realised it at the time but now I just find it really funny.

I once bought a rare tag for 350mil...

This hit a little close to home CCP.