EVE General Discussion

Now that's a more constructive leap from:

Add that to CCP's future vision of WiS and we're getting somewhere.
http://www.eveonline.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=277
http://www.eveonline.com/download/videos/?type=2

Station based eve / dust interfaces and assassinations.

Groovy.

CCP, are you listening, Rek layed it out for you. You have the ball CCP, now do something with it!

CCP isn't ignoring anybody. If I was a CCP dev I'd be offended that you guys keep telling lies like that.

CCP gave you all an answer, you just don't like what you got. Fair enough, but to keep droning-on and on about it is just going to push any dialog you will get from them out even further.

Maybe if you guys started posting in the relevant forum area CCP would take you more seriously and you could also avoid being trolled?

All I see here are some ideas of what could be (good bad or otherwise), and some pie-in-the-sky expectations, mixed between a lot of crying and foot-stamping that CCP is ignoring you. Maybe if you used the tools at your disposal instead of crying like 10 year olds that you want your candy (answers) now, you'd get some results?

If you are sick of waiting, you should do what other players did when they got sick of CCP mostly abandoning EVE core game features. But lets also be realistic here. How many players do you think you can rally, and what trade publications or media do you think will lend you any press?

Then you wait? And if you don't get the response you want; you decide what to do with your money / time / gameplay.

To me, WiS is all about smuggling and gambling: Texas hold'em.

wow disdain nice selective quoting i bet you had to dig real hard
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since that post i thought for a long time before i came up with my idea of the "new stuff" - the nano surgery thing
my argument is that if wis has only social faggotry gameplay and dressup, it will be useless and crap, and nobody should call that progress, because EVE is better than that
and apart from a few posters that posted ideas, most only indicate "yeah i would love to hang out in a bar with my m8s and chat with my avatar oh and i want a new skirt" without realizing how frivolous they are.

meanwhile they call me ignorant and close-minded because of my stance,
many of you still clinging on to the war room idea, lol given current sov mechanics, what the hell you need to plan about? unless they change sov mechanics like you control a whole constellation if you hit 3 control points simultaneously and within 12 hours you need knock out a HQ system or something like that (hell i heard perpentum online has a better sov system)
also war room for dust, unless dust maps are procedurally generated (different every time) what the hell do you need to plan it, think back to battlefield 2,
also in your war room you would be in first-person view all the time cus your stupid head is blocking the strategic map, what we need is a more powerful F10 that is so good we don't even need to look at dotlan anymore in-game
the problem is that you pro-wis are over-thinking things, always needing to find poor excuses to ramrod an avatar to any function that frankly is cumbersome that after about 5 minutes you would just use the god damn hot-key or neocom buttons.

so more ideas and less crying about dress up /emoting useless crap with no merit like a bunch of runts.

Here's my shorter, greatly flawed concept because the more detailed one got eaten by these idiotic forums.

This concept basically feeds into the idea that new, unique items with a substantial benefit over many existing ones can be made in WiS and smuggled out into FiS. Or perhaps they are equivalent items that are cheaper to make for whatever reason. Such items could include illegal implants, boosters, modules, and blueprints for either new ships, or modified existing ones (custom torp naga, anyone?). These items basically cannot be created at a pos and for whatever lore reason require the facilities of an entire dockable station.

Some of these items may not even be any better than the ones currently in the game, but perhaps are different enough in some aspect that they are desirable. The tweaking of this would be another matter for another day.

The top level of the station is the capsuleer citadel as described in Burning Life. it is a higher security area of the station and the default "safe" area which has similar rules to highsec. You can open normal legal establishments here. This area is basically home to carebears, roleplayers, socializers, gamblers, and most of the people the anti-wis crowd seems to hate.

Going down a few levels you get to lower security/no security areas. At this point you are basically playing Eve with a Mass Effect-like control scheme for combat. This gives CCP an excuse to put in jogging/sprinting mechanics as well, so you can avoid being shot in the ass.

In the more ghetto areas of the station, your establishment opportunities broaden to chem labs, module/weapons dealing (perhaps creating modified small arms equipment to sell to dust players as well?), illegal research facilities (for blueprints/implants), etc. You could hire NPC or even players to guard your business, and install security systems. It would of course be possible to raid each others establishments, through either brute force or assassination, and cause damage to your opposition. This creates the similar "Eve" feel for pvp people are already used to, but makes it a third person shooter of sorts and changes the setting enough to make it different.

There are probably a million different concepts and ways to smuggle things from the crap sector of the station back up to the Citadel, but i'll cite the one mentioned in Burning Life as using the maintenance area on the outer hull of the station where the scanners are somewhat fuzzy to avoid most of the checkpoints. This also creates a place for peeveepee to happen if you want to play the thug attempting to jump some folks trying to smuggle stuff in/out, similar to how lowsec piracy is.

Another way might be to "backdoor it" through a higher security establishment. If it is done in the open promenade you can be spotted by security and face Consequences(tm). This actually gives the otherwise mostly fluffy carebears something to actually do, even if their part in it is very small. Kind of like how they are in Eve today.

The nice thing about this is once CCP does the ground work for the combat system they can also do things like add dockable combat sequences to missions or exploration sites like they were talking about last fanfest. This can integrate it better to the game without making WiS itself completely irrelevant.

Anyway there are some random ideas, they've got plenty of holes in them but it's a hell of a lot better than some of the barbie concepts out there and it's got plenty of violence and eve mechanics to it.

Burning life doesn't really focus on the area of smuggling much, outside of one guy who basically sells drugs to agents and other people of importance. There is also another guy who is pretty much a gun runner, though i think he is mentioned in all of one page of the book. It does mention the different security levels of stations to pretty significant detail though, with the citadel being the highest security area. just a basis to work with, really.

It's not that any areas of a station are lawless persay, it's just that nobody really gives a **** if it doesn't directly involve important people (capsuleers, agents, officials, etc.) Certain areas like the outer hull are not even monitored at all, and the characters in the book use it specifically to jump someone. Since capsuleers are not expected to be outside the citadel, well...

When an agent is suspected of murder, for example, the authorities won't even try to touch them for a day or two until they can cover all of their bases legally and move forward. That's just how much power they have.

And Capsuleers have more power than agents. So unless they did something blatently, right in front of security... well you get the idea.

Stations are primarily described as corporation owned cities-in-space. And all cities, regardless of how nice they are, have rough areas.

Yea, I just wanna reiterate that I don't really want barbies in stations although i have nothing against it persay as long as its done in the fulfillment of the kind of design I just posted.

I want eve in stations, ya know? Same kind of gameplay, but different enough it's fun in its own right and relevant enough its affecting all aspects of eve.

Hence when I get the "lol u wanna emote and play with barbies" its just like.... no man. that's not even close.