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"Heir" Khanid selects Sani Sabik champion

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Grash Uriza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2015-10-20 06:04:39 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Where you are wrong is in your claim that the nature of the championships is purely martial. There is no such separation between body and spirit. A victory won through sin is no victory at all, and God will remember such faithlessness when He bestows His final judgment.


You're confusing The Championships, which is a part of the trials, with the Trials of succession itself.
The Championship itself is purely Martial. The Trials of Succession is not.

There's a strain of thought that by choosing the outcast (a heathen, heretic, ect) that the Heir is going of of their way to proving their potential to the Devine Right of Emperor to bring about good by raiding the ranks of the evil. What enables this as possible is that the submission of the outcast to the Heir out weights their sins.

This bring us to the fact that the choice of captain or champion is the Heir's alone. So if The Heir has picked poorly, they will be facing questioning for Final Judgement very quickly!
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#122 - 2015-10-20 06:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri
You fail to comprehend the scope of the Blooder corruption. A corruption that very recently took the life of an Amarr Emperor and led to one of the worst episodes of internal corruption in recent history.

Everything that the followers of Omir touch is corrupted and made worse by the contact.

If Edeity or those who have allowed him into this holy rite manage to subvert the trials by means of some dark ritual, the Trials themselves are invalid.

If the Trials are invalid, the Emperor chosen by those trials is a Usurper.

Even if he is defeated, Edeity's intention to blood the deceased in the trial is an insult to everything that is holy and a desecration of the trials should he participate in them.

There can be no tolerance when this corruption has spread so far that it is taking part in the very Succession Trials. The blooder rot must be excised.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#123 - 2015-10-20 07:06:43 UTC
Grash Uriza wrote:

As for Edeity himself, he is a member of Local Is Primary, an ally of Habitual Chaos (The Alliance of my Obsidian Cadre). They are also another alliance under the oversight of the 24th Imperial Crusade. No different from PIE. More importantly, he is apart a close ally in the battlefield and thus I know first hand the martial skill of the Battlemonks. (One myth has it that they taught DNG the ancient arts of weaponizing local) As such, the sole and only reason why he selected as a champion is that he's got the chops to take your theology book from you and beat you into the ground with it. As such, I am honored to see him selected as captain.


So, you would break bread with Nauplius, as he is part of the 24th IC? Being a part of the crusade does not mean that one is righteous. As to the rest of your post, nearly everything Samira has said, I say also. This is not about Samira; do not attack her.

Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#124 - 2015-10-20 07:59:23 UTC
Grash Uriza wrote:
"So instructed the Queen to her champion,
‘Beware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone;
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word,
Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard."
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:18


Samira Kernher,
In regards to the Amarrian Battle Monk in question: You are correct about his origins. And as it stands, your concern can be applied to several other selected captains. However, your concerns misses a key element: the Amarr Championships portion in Trials of Succession purpose is to be a measure of a Heir's might. In short, only the strongest shall lead us.

Because the nature of the Championships is a purely martial, the choice of champion is matter of the Heir's prerogative. Thus questions of a combatant's background is generally ignored as long as they are not considered persona non grata in the eyes of our Empire because all combatants have all declared loyalty to the heir. While I am unable to provide specific examples from history right now, there have been rare occasions in which an Heir has chosen an unusual captain or champion. Again, because the combatants have all declared loyalty to the heir, it opens the field for the Heir to choose from heathens, heretics, pirates (especially those preying on other houses), and slaves themselves. Thus if an Heir thinks an unusual choice this is their best option, then so be it. Having said that we are faced with where in this trial, the unusual seems to be the order of the day with the chosen champions!

As for Edeity himself, he is a member of Local Is Primary, an ally of Habitual Chaos (The Alliance of my Obsidian Cadre). They are also another alliance under the oversight of the 24th Imperial Crusade. No different from PIE. More importantly, he is apart a close ally in the battlefield and thus I know first hand the martial skill of the Battlemonks. (One myth has it that they taught DNG the ancient arts of weaponizing local) As such, the sole and only reason why he selected as a champion is that he's got the chops to take your theology book from you and beat you into the ground with it. As such, I am honored to see him selected as captain.

I know that you (Samira) wished (and unfortunately unable) to present yourself to Lord Yonis Ardishapur. For consideration, let us consider a situation where you had applied and become a chosen champion. Very easily this thread here could have been about you, "The Slave". I want to stress, how that would be a crass and uninformed opinion ignoring your achievements. To be clear, you are highly respected and lauded as you have found the path of Truth and Light of redemption. And as seen in many converts, your zeal is commendable. However in this rare case for you, It's just off the mark.

I hope this lays out your concerns, and helps others to understand better.

Deus Vult. Amarr Victor.
Grash Uriza.

We are well aware that the 24th has long turned a blind eye to terrible madmen and heresy. It's a widely understood fact that even those who have declared themselves an enemy of the Empire can still sign up as long as there is a corporation with enough standing and low enough moral fibre, or if they spend a few days working for Amarr agents.

The fact that you believe being enlisted in the Militia makes you 'No different from PIE' shows how mentally and spiritually unequipped you are to correct the Lieutenant, let alone 'help[s] others to understand better'. We have 12 years of history supporting Amarr

You have shown yourself to be a sycophant of little worth. Blindly leaping to the defense of Blood Raiders and their supporters. Comparing a slave (note: Lieutenant Kernher is no slave) to a Blood Raider is just another example of your incomparable ignorance of what is happening around you.

Pray that you never have to witness the crimes against God that the Blood Raiders commit.
Pray that you don't fall victim to the ritual barbarity that your ally would gladly submit you to.
Pray that your unequipped soul never faces the torment of knowing the type of people you blindly support.

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.

Slobodan Hawkwood
House Hawkwood of Amarr
#125 - 2015-10-20 08:01:50 UTC
I'd try again and call all parties to be patient and let proper authorities to deal with this incident.
I fail to see purpose in slandering PIE pilots who proven their loyalty to Empire countless of times, as well as Khanid loyalist pilots who are fighting beside us.

Let us not assume worst scenario in advance, there will be plenty of time to react if something like Red Emperor looks to be happening. PIE is not alone in it's concerns...

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Paladin's Creed

edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#126 - 2015-10-20 08:23:29 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

If Edeity or those who have allowed him into this holy rite manage to subvert the trials by means of some dark ritual, the Trials themselves are invalid.

If the Trials are invalid, the Emperor chosen by those trials is a Usurper.



There is a a lot of prattle here. Lesser minds obsessed with minutae of lesser machinations.

For the record Gaven, I am not nor have ever been a "Blood Raider", the mythical boogeyman of deepspace that drunken lawless pirates and failed pilots use as excuse in the failure of their endevours.

What I am, and have always been is a loyalist. So loyal in fact that I have applied my full faculties to my faith, and unlike others of your brethren do not suffer a myopic blindness bolstered by false hubris and arrogance to speak on behalf of the mind of That Which Is True.

The only heresy here is yours. You claim ascendency in station over your betters, over the very institutions which you simultaneously cling to for legitimacy of your delusions and then not only deride but actively subvert their decisions.

I am a champion of Amarr. I am bound only by Khanid mandate. Proclamations of heresy and disloyalty by your circle of friends hold no legitimacy here. To deny this is to deny legitimacy of the court, legitimacy of the very foundations of the faith which you serve. Correctly, there is no separation between spirit and action. They are one. Your actions speak loudly of grave sin. Lets see if your actions can back them up.

I question you, are you a "savant" the supposed super beings that shall lead us to salvation that this convenient fiction of a great conspiracy says have the only authority to take what is their due? I think not. What say you? Are you indeed a greater judge of fitness of service and loyalty? We know that truth is bigger than a man can comprehend. Are you greater than a man?

Take off your hat of foil, oh noble knight of Amarr. You do great disservice to yourself and your followers. I have no interest here but the rightful promotion through selection on field of battle of one who stands for all of the Amarrian faith. For myself, I find our Lord Garkeh both the most orthodox and most progressive of heirs. He is the hope and the future of our faith. He embraces the fullness of our past, not the limited reducted version spoonfed by your petty lickspittle of a tool politic known as the Theology Council. He stands for not just those of pure Amarrian birth, but all who believe. He is a true and rightful heir. To speak otherwise is declare onself heretic.

The decision has been made. Your decision, your stance on this matter opens a great many questions however.

Stand with me brother, a night of such darkness is coming - do not fall back on old and petty ways. Your arrogance and false entitlement are a thing of another era. Amarr must find strength in its past yet recognise its future is eternally new.

Pax Amarr my brother. May we find common ground in the fight against heresy and evil, WHATEVER form it may take.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#127 - 2015-10-20 08:30:19 UTC
edeity wrote:

Pax Amarr my brother. May we find common ground in the fight against heresy and evil, WHATEVER form it may take.

The heresy and evil is you.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#128 - 2015-10-20 08:43:43 UTC
Quote:
I am not nor have ever been a "Blood Raider"


If it prances around in a bloody robe like a blood raider, sacrifices its victims in immoral rites like a blood raider, and calls Omir's unholy name like a Blood Raider. Then, by Junip, I think it probably qualifies as a blood raider.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Slobodan Hawkwood
House Hawkwood of Amarr
#129 - 2015-10-20 09:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Slobodan Hawkwood
edeity wrote:

For the record Gaven, I am not nor have ever been a "Blood Raider", the mythical boogeyman of deepspace that drunken lawless pirates and failed pilots use as excuse in the failure of their endevours.


Yet you openly state your loyalty to Omir Sarikusa ( https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/edeity?_ga=1.53032737.829432483.1433490118 )
Blood raider and heretic of worst kind you are...I can only hope you'll find your way to true faith and repent before you meet your maker.

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Paladin's Creed

Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#130 - 2015-10-20 09:03:57 UTC
"There will be neither compassion nor mercy;
Nor peace, nor solace
For those who bear witness to these Signs
And still do not believe."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#131 - 2015-10-20 09:06:51 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:


If it prances around in a bloody robe like a blood raider, sacrifices its victims in immoral rites like a blood raider, and calls Omir's unholy name like a Blood Raider. Then, by Junip, I think it probably qualifies as a blood raider.


You are a man mired in a past right when times move faster than ever before. You and your brothers cripple not only your minds with rigid thinking, but your prowess in battle using only the technologies and tools of a singular civilisation. Do you not have real faith? Do you think truth needs to be sheltered or hidden? Are you so scared of your own weakness you cannot expand your mind to become more?

I wear a blood raider uniform, yes. Acquired on field of battle. I admire Lord Omir. He is a man of passionate spirituality that has made a great mark upon many lives. Do I approve of everything he and his followers do? Of course not. But who am I to truly judge the divine will? All creation serves a purpose.

I know I need not lecture a man of such knowledge as yourself on the history of our shared and singular (although you have declared a large portion of it off limits) faith. Blood is intrinsic to our faith. We celebrate with wine today, this very day and age in memory of this. I am not some fantastical invention of a crazed space cannibal. This here is a rational, educated, devout, mindful, caring, generous and loyal servant of the very same faith as yours. I just educate myself not just in words but actions about the breadth of this faith. I believe I can say with an honest heart, I am more experienced in our beliefs brother. I wish you knew them as I do. Years alas do not always equate to wisdom.


Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#132 - 2015-10-20 09:21:08 UTC
Ascentior wrote:
And again it is filled with the vitriol of Khanid's best, foaming at the mouth to attack faithful Amarrians, while completely ignoring the actual matter at hand.


On the contrary my vitriol has been entirely absent and as Khanid's best I'll be taking care of the problem on the battlefield, if Lord Khanid wishes to see the death of a heretic I have no problem with providing that service.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#133 - 2015-10-20 09:23:14 UTC
edeity wrote:
Years alas do not always equate to wisdom.


The wise do not embrace heresy.
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#134 - 2015-10-20 09:28:25 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
edeity wrote:
Years alas do not always equate to wisdom.


The wise do not embrace heresy.


And lesser beings should know their place. Fortunately this shall all be resolved in time. Have faith sister.
Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#135 - 2015-10-20 09:29:13 UTC
edeity wrote:

I wear a blood raider uniform, yes. Acquired on field of battle. I admire Lord Omir. He is a man of passionate spirituality that has made a great mark upon many lives. Do I approve of everything he and his followers do? Of course not. But who am I to truly judge the divine will? All creation serves a purpose.

Divine will was to cast the Heretic out, to deny his horrific, bastardized sect. You cannot ignore this and still claim to be a man of faith.

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.

edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#136 - 2015-10-20 09:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: edeity
Ascentior wrote:
edeity wrote:

I wear a blood raider uniform, yes. Acquired on field of battle. I admire Lord Omir. He is a man of passionate spirituality that has made a great mark upon many lives. Do I approve of everything he and his followers do? Of course not. But who am I to truly judge the divine will? All creation serves a purpose.

Divine will was to cast the Heretic out, to deny his horrific, bastardized sect. You cannot ignore this and still claim to be a man of faith.


One can admire, even have a loyalty to the spirit of a religious movement without being a member of it. There is much to admire about people, brought together under the most trying and desperate of circumstances, a people from all races and places - to pursue a common religious goal. This is indeed my dream, as it is the dream of all true believers in the faith of Amarr.

The only actual point of religious contention is my upholding the validity of the full texts of Amarr as sacred, as defended by Saint Tetrimon. Khanid is where the followerrs of this full orthodoxy, the only and last of the True Amarrians were granted sanctuary. The debate over suitability resides in this. Claims of Blood Raider this or that are unsubstantiated, all capsuleer pilots deal with the corpses of vanquished foes at one point or another, I am no different.

It is sad to see such low serving and desperate misuse of claimed piety to effect a political outcome. I am ashamed to have flown in company of many of those who reduce themselves so far.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#137 - 2015-10-20 10:01:33 UTC
Only a blood raider would spout garbage like "In nomine domini Omir Sarikusa" and "Pax Sanguinis Emperor" while bragging about being "clad in [your] only real possession, a prayer robe. Caked in blood both old and fresh of rebels, heretics, traitors, pirates and beings lesser of race, dogma or belief."

You can try to tell us that black is white all day, but it won't change what you are.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Anslo
Scope Works
#138 - 2015-10-20 11:46:33 UTC
No Theology Council huh? Guess no one coming to shut PIE up means the Theology Council officially endorses taking a metaphorical **** on the Khanid, the same Khanid who were already stated to be rightfully allowed to participate as heir. Except now they're not really welcome... But kind of are. The Council should make up it's mind.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#139 - 2015-10-20 11:51:52 UTC
Anslo wrote:
No Theology Council huh? Guess no one coming to shut PIE up means the Theology Council officially endorses taking a metaphorical **** on the Khanid, the same Khanid who were already stated to be rightfully allowed to participate as heir. Except now they're not really welcome... But kind of are. The Council should make up it's mind.


Anslo, it's not just PIE that has grave concerns....
Sourem Itharen
Theology Council
Amarr Empire
#140 - 2015-10-20 12:52:27 UTC
Faithful of Amarr,

I am disturbed by the contents of this discussion, a discussion that has veered into grave error on several occasions. I have also received numerous petitions on the matter of the selection of candidate champions by the Royal Heirs and it is clear that I must speak on the matter.

Be it known that this communication represents the settled will of the Imperial Succession Committee after due consideration of all facts and particulars placed before it by candidate champions, representatives of the Royal Heirs, the Ministry of Internal Order and the Order of St. Tetrimon.

In choosing to make this a trial of capsuleer champions, as was stated by my Lord Pomik Haromi, the prowess of defenders of Holy Amarr was very much in mind. True, it is, that faithfulness and piety must also be accorded due regard but loyalty and the faith that is kindled by martial excellence is critical to these trials.

The Royal Heirs are accorded considerable latitude by the Imperial Succession Committee in their selection of candidate champions. The Ministry of Internal Order has satisfied itself that the candidates confirmed by the Houses have sound records of strong loyalty or martial friendship to Holy Amarr. In addition, many are great fighters against rebel incursions or heretical pirates, anarchists and cultists.

All complaints laid thus far have been found without merit on examination.

But that is not all. The most disturbing aspect of these discussions has been the questioning of the Imperial Succession by capsuleer pilots otherwise held long loyal to Holy Amarr. This questioning of the rightful order of Holy Amarr is iniquitous against a background where the Empire is threatened by foes old and new. This querulous faithlessness must cease.

One further matter, the Order of St. Tetrimon has declared that interference with the remains of righteous participants in the Trials of the Champions, whether they be of champions, retainers or faithful crews, will be grounds for sanction and may imperil the standing of Champions in the Trials. In this we are in perfect accord with the Order of St. Tetrimon.

Cardinal Sourem Itharen
Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain