EVE General Discussion

I dont know if this is the right place to ask but i was curious its eve legion really dead haven't heard of it in a long time which is sad since is a really interesting idea.

Walking in station, Dust, Legion and WoD, and yet ppl wonder why CCP needs more and more microtransactions in this game.
Seems like they really love to throw away their money on failed projects.

(tho i am sad they never got to implement WIS, as i think it would have helped getting new players to the game)

Dust is making them money
WoD got written off several years ago.
Legion has basically zero development costs associated with it
WiS got written off even longer ago.

Really, if you want to whine, at least get your facts right to whine about.

CONFIRMED DEAD GUYS!!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ccp-games-selects-aria-systems-active-monetization-platform-2015-10-20


In the About Ccp section at end of article, everything BUT LEGION is listed.

RIP LEGION

And im sure they didnt "forget it"
They even had freaking Gunjack and lol VR all in it and Senior Ccp Dev interview.


RIP LEGION

It need to be alive first to die as far as i know ONLY time some say something about Legion was Hellmar in fanfest when hi said dust is bust as a dampening pillow to bring in the news.

Technically its not alive. It cant live at all, ever.
It can be ready. But is not. And no one knows here if it will ever be ready.

so if we would have payed more all would have been a success? We, the player sabotaged ccp? It´s our fault what ccp did and trying to do again?

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf

interesting view you have there ... there´s is a theory about each choice, action or decision forms a alternative universe within the multiverse - didn´t know some of them are overlapping within the internet until today :)



Yet there are massive amounts of microtransactionsgames on the gaming market. even space mmos. everyone can get what he want´s. don´t you think some of the players here are in eve because of the subscription based payment model? no need to cry a specific game should have to change it´s revenuesource. simply choose an existing one that fits you better.

|_| <- put tears in here
door´s over there ->

Lol

I have removed a disrespectful post.

i´m not about making senseless noise. Also have interest that the game is taking the "best" route to go forward. And thats all. we can identitfy several actions in the past that lead to specific reactions. maybe they shouldn´t be carried out again in similar ways, because there´s a high chance resulting effects will be alike. Look at them and learn something of the past. ccp is not acting in the best interest of eve alone, they are trying to act in the best interest of ccp as a company according to economic decissions, detached from the necessities for good gameplay. to develop different products, sell them out, and make the company able to outlive it´s products. There´s nothing wrong with it, but these directions may contradict each other sometimes. It´s about balance... it may be economicaly the best for a company to destroy and sell out one of it´s products for an additional, short injection of money - which in return is the worst possible scenario for the product!



But´s thats just the view of one side. You can also state that employer´s are often left without a chance to solve or avoid problems because they are only allowed to do the things they have been ordered to do, in specific ways. There´s a behavior i noticed within many smaller or big companies that could be described like this:

There´s this new project. If you look at the plannings it´s very clear that this would be an desaster. but don´t say anything - it´s rude. just carry it out. at some point when the failure is visible, same one planning this are stating: "due to live testings we came to the conclussion that this may not be practical. we have to change that." A lot of money burned - let´s lower the quality of our product / increase pricing to compensate.
I doubt that a degree of discretion that makes you say nothing to such patterns is that helpfull. Someone opening his mouth, speaking the truth right into my face when i´m about to make mistakes, may be a overall better employee than someone carrying out orders without own thoughts.

Mayber your conclussions try to aim at a healthy game. But I don´t see the connection between the subscription model and a decline in players. Why are players not staying subscriped in the first place? There are also many other possibilities - including gameplay and mechanics. if you only change the payment model and the mechanics stay the same - your overall outcome may also stay the same. Hiding symptoms doesn´t solve the problems! Hiding them by demanding additional payment adds another!

You say eve is probably the last mmo left with a subscription based payment model?
even wow - mentioned here very often - is still a subscription based game, even after all this years. (Introduced WoW Token is like plex) - Final Fantasy XIV is a subscription based mmo.

Some numbers i found, doing a quick search:
https://marketrealist.imgix.net/uploads/2015/03/MMO.png (2013)
http://www.alistdaily.com/assets/alist-archived/2015/03/east-west-revenue-breakdown-for-top-mmos.jpg (2015)

if they are correct and the payment models of these games are indeed similar - How the *** is TERA or Lineage or Aoin able to get a that much higher revenue than eve?

https://www.superdataresearch.com/market-data/mmo-market/

You can say opinions you are not sharing, because you see nothing valuable in them out of your individual perspective, are invalid or just senseless noise and should go away. but then the same applies to your opinion. Prejudice may turn around and bite - you see this? You are also contradicting yourself, showing a slight lack of profound information, too - like myself. :) objectivity is nothing we can achive. So the discurse between the different views is needed.

Also why should i, as a player, who has choosen to play a specific game because of the attraction it has to me, "wind my neck around it" when it gets reconfigured, changed, and exploited to a point in the future, where it´s similar to games i´m trying to avoid as hell? But I can understand that ccp tries to break into unexplored markets. and yes they can do it via changing the core of an existing one, instead of designing something new, targeting the new customers.

Getting what you need <- vs -> getting as much as possible