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Sansha hunt. 18.10.YC117
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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2015-10-19 21:46:08 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Actually, the way I understand it, most Caldari would prefer to forget he existed at all...


It's a bit more complex than that, actually. Whilst his tenure as Executor ended shamefully, Tibus Heth did a lot of good as well. The Corporate structure needed a good kick and we needed to be refocused on Meritocracy - and to actually implement the traditions that safeguard it.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#22 - 2015-10-20 00:14:18 UTC
Ste Kazar wrote:
Blasphemy! Sansha Kuvakei is our Lord and savior. You only delay the inevitable.

Who in blazes are you?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-10-20 02:42:08 UTC
There was a man, who was thinking about regular workers instead of money, and who was thinking about Caldari people instead of power. His name was Tibus Heth.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#24 - 2015-10-20 02:43:29 UTC
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#25 - 2015-10-20 03:05:27 UTC
Commander Kim , can you catch a river or kill the wind , no . Then where is he ? he is in the Kaalakiota Peaks. You couldnt find him now, but if we ever need him again he will be back.

No body has ever been found , State authorities continue to treat Heth as a live fugitive.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-10-20 03:29:20 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Commander Kim , can you catch a river or kill the wind , no . Then where is he ? he is in the Kaalakiota Peaks. You couldnt find him now, but if we ever need him again he will be back.

No body has ever been found , State authorities continue to treat Heth as a live fugitive.



As it should.

Many a times people assume that someone is deceased and having that bite him in the arse because he had been lazy in recovering the deceased's body.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-10-30 02:46:13 UTC
Greetings,

This is what I fail to understand...there are Sansha in Amarr space, and yet caldari seem to want to eradicate them; doesnt make too much sense; but somehow I sense there is a connectedness between the Caldari and the Amarr?

Just the basics is all I ask...

Darain
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-10-30 02:50:20 UTC
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:
Greetings,

This is what I fail to understand...there are Sansha in Amarr space, and yet caldari seem to want to eradicate them; doesnt make too much sense; but somehow I sense there is a connectedness between the Caldari and the Amarr?

Just the basics is all I ask...

Darain


If you had been looking through any of Kim's quotes, you realise that she is very, very big fan of Tibus Heth.
Search through the old news and you will find that Heth's vessel was found with damage consistent with those inflicted by lasers. She was found in a region of space that is known to be encroached by the Nation.

This immediately places Sansha as the prime suspect for the 'disappearance' of Tibus Heth. Now what do you think Kim, a hardcore Heth fanatic, would do?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#29 - 2015-10-30 02:56:41 UTC
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:
Greetings,

This is what I fail to understand...there are Sansha in Amarr space, and yet caldari seem to want to eradicate them; doesnt make too much sense; but somehow I sense there is a connectedness between the Caldari and the Amarr?

Just the basics is all I ask...

Darain


Oh hai there! You must be new here, so I'm going to give you some pointers now to spar everyone here a couple of headaches, okay? Okay!

See that person overthere? That's Miss Kim, and she's a soldier of the State! She fights the Gallente llike something fierce, and she is even fiercer when fighting for what she believes! And to kill Gallente, she needs ships. How does she get most of her ship bonus? By crushing Sansha under her foot!

Also, Sansha are bad and all must be killed! Mister Kukavei was once a Caldari before he decided the whole universe would be better as a zombie slave colony, you see.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-10-30 03:15:15 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Darian en Chasteaux wrote:
Greetings,

This is what I fail to understand...there are Sansha in Amarr space, and yet caldari seem to want to eradicate them; doesnt make too much sense; but somehow I sense there is a connectedness between the Caldari and the Amarr?

Just the basics is all I ask...

Darain


Oh hai there! You must be new here, so I'm going to give you some pointers now to spar everyone here a couple of headaches, okay? Okay!

See that person overthere? That's Miss Kim, and she's a soldier of the State! She fights the Gallente llike something fierce, and she is even fiercer when fighting for what she believes! And to kill Gallente, she needs ships. How does she get most of her ship bonus? By crushing Sansha under her foot!

Also, Sansha are bad and all must be killed! Mister Kukavei was once a Caldari before he decided the whole universe would be better as a zombie slave colony, you see.


Describing Sansha's agenda as 'zombie slave colony' is a gross oversimplification. What he was plotting was to establish some kind of Utopian society divided into two class: The 'True Citizen' creative and intellectual elite supported by the 'True Slave' labourers.

His ideal was that his Nation will be a Nation of creatives and intellectuals (True Citizens), where all their needs and wants will be met by the 'True Slaves' without any question or complication. To do so, he uses cranial implants that will enhance the intellectual capabilities of his 'True Citizens' and remove the free will of the 'True Slaves' without compromising their creativity and their intelligence (so not really zombies).

The thing is, removing free-will entirely is a bit much for even the Amarr Empire and the chips used on the 'True Citizen' is quite open for abuse (Any 'True Citizen' who disagrees with Sansha's vision may possibly get their free will wiped and be turned into a 'True Slave', for instance). This forms one of the, I suppose, major points of opposition against his plans by the Big Four.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#31 - 2015-10-30 03:28:21 UTC
You know what, that's actually probably the most tolerable and accurate description I've heard an outsider give in a long time. I like you.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-10-30 05:10:05 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

The thing is, removing free-will entirely is a bit much for even the Amarr Empire and the chips used on the 'True Citizen' is quite open for abuse

Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war, turning the concept of slavery into actually positive socio-religious phenomenon, while Sansha Nation enslaves everyone discriminatively. But no, this minmatar decided to glister with his ignorance and intolerance once again, invoking the Empire into the discussion by comparing it to Sansha Nation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-10-30 05:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

The thing is, removing free-will entirely is a bit much for even the Amarr Empire and the chips used on the 'True Citizen' is quite open for abuse

Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war, turning the concept of slavery into actually positive socio-religious phenomenon, while Sansha Nation enslaves everyone discriminatively. But no, this minmatar decided to glister with his ignorance and intolerance once again, invoking the Empire into the discussion by comparing it to Sansha Nation.


You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone, typically an entire ethnicity, they conquer prior to running into a roadblock that was the Gallente Federation.

Keep going with your black-and-white worldview. It will be fun to tear that apart once again.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#34 - 2015-10-30 05:44:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war

And civilians, then they glass your planets, destroy your cultural artifacts, and teach your children that there heritage is one of sin and disgrace. You know, Kim, for all the screaming you do about other people's ignorance, you sure display an abundance of your own. Do yourself a favor and **** off with your misguided opinions of my people and the circumstances of our war with the Amarrians. I'm sure your time could be better spent screaming profanities at the Gallente in local.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-10-30 05:47:34 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone

Ignorance overload, communications failure.
Who let the clowns out?

That's why it is practically useless to speak with gallenteans and tribals. They blame you in stuff you never did and keep shouting with foam at the mouth without bringing a single evidence. Moreover, claims like that (like Amarr Empire enslave everyone) contradict even common sense.

I mean, really, how you can be stupid like that. I have myself been in the Empire, and if it would be enslaving everyone... Do I look like a slave now?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-10-30 05:50:41 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war

And civilians, then they glass your planets, destroy your cultural artifacts, and teach your children that there heritage is one of sin and disgrace. You know, Kim, for all the screaming you do about other people's ignorance, you sure display an abundance of your own. Do yourself a favor and **** off with your misguided opinions of my people and the circumstances of our war with the Amarrians. I'm sure your time could be better spent screaming profanities at the Gallente in local.

Oh, sweet Maker.
Another one.

Okay, you, tribal, the war is going on for whole seven years now. Name at least one planet that was glassed by the Empire in these seven years. I am not asking about all other crap you have suggested, but could you at least point at the glassing?

If not, please kindly shut up and don't intervene when you aren't asked.
Okay, thanks and bye.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#37 - 2015-10-30 06:13:04 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

Except that the Amarr Empire enslaves only criminals and prisoners of war

And civilians, then they glass your planets, destroy your cultural artifacts, and teach your children that there heritage is one of sin and disgrace. You know, Kim, for all the screaming you do about other people's ignorance, you sure display an abundance of your own. Do yourself a favor and **** off with your misguided opinions of my people and the circumstances of our war with the Amarrians. I'm sure your time could be better spent screaming profanities at the Gallente in local.

Oh, sweet Maker.
Another one.

Okay, you, tribal, the war is going on for whole seven years now. Name at least one planet that was glassed by the Empire in these seven years. I am not asking about all other crap you have suggested, but could you at least point at the glassing?

If not, please kindly shut up and don't intervene when you aren't asked.
Okay, thanks and bye.

Why would I limit my memory of my enemy to what has happened in just the last 7 years. Unlike you, I can retain information longer than that. And you don't get references, you never provide any yourself. I'm not here to do the research for you. I'm going to bed.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-10-30 06:37:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:

You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone

Ignorance overload, communications failure.
Who let the clowns out?

That's why it is practically useless to speak with gallenteans and tribals. They blame you in stuff you never did and keep shouting with foam at the mouth without bringing a single evidence. Moreover, claims like that (like Amarr Empire enslave everyone) contradict even common sense.

I mean, really, how you can be stupid like that. I have myself been in the Empire, and if it would be enslaving everyone... Do I look like a slave now?


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Unchallenged_Era_of_the_Amarr_Empire

Read the whole damned thing and know your history. You sound like an uneducated buffoon who only knew how to hold a gun, a complete anti-thesis of your typical Caldari (well-educated and knows how to shoot at you five ways to Sunday).

Then you come back and tell me if the Ni-Kunni (who are now free citizens of the Amarr Empire) and the Minmatar are races of outlaws.

The only reason why you *aren't* a slave was because the Amarr Empire had to get through the Gallente Federation to get at the State. As it turned out, the Gallente Federation was in fact of equal military strength with the Amarr Empire and the Empire decided against conquest due to projected loss (a pragmatic move) from the attempt.

Yes, the Federation you hated so much was the very reason why you are not working an Imperial mine with a shock collar around your neck. They did so by being the almost impregnable wall standing between the State and generations of slavery. You can at least give them credit for that one.

And one final point, the universe did not exist for seven years. The Empires had existed for at least a thousand years each. Go through all of that then you can start talking history.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-10-30 07:24:08 UTC
It has also occurred to me that Diana Kim has quoted me out of context. Again.

So here goes, the full quotation, plus the full sentence that Diana Kim can't seem to read, with the most important bit she can't seem to notice:

Elmund Egivand wrote:


You forgot the part where the Amarr Empire basically enslave everyone, typically an entire ethnicity, they conquer prior to running into a roadblock that was the Gallente Federation.

Keep going with your black-and-white worldview. It will be fun to tear that apart once again.



So Kim, tell me, was the State ever conquered by the Amarr Empire? Because you forgot the bit that the Amarr Empire enslave those they conquered.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#40 - 2015-10-30 23:22:31 UTC
Kim these days doesn't even seem to try to hide the fact that she's playing you all for a fool.