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"Heir" Khanid selects Sani Sabik champion

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Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#101 - 2015-10-19 23:20:55 UTC
A Good Poster wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further.


It would be prudent of you to consult a cosmetologist before your fashion "individualism" escalates further.

You can't talk. You look like someone left their musty cheesy sacs on your face and put you in an oven for a few hours too long. You need to get a resculpt certificate. You might need a few actually.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#102 - 2015-10-19 23:26:20 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
There can be no doubt that edeity is a cultist. I will be treating him as such and in my view there's one sort of trial that he should be involved in and it's not this one.

However, unless anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I am prepared to accept that his inclusion is likely down to embarrassing screw-up rather than conspiracy.

My mind recalls another screw up. One that was a mere typo and many people committed suicide out of shame. Many others were killed. At this point, it would probably be best should the Steward disavow Ediety and depart this life posthaste.
Failing that, Lord Khanid should disavow Steward Chakaid and Edeity and put a bullet in the back of Chakaid's head.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#103 - 2015-10-19 23:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Anyanka Funk
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
There can be no doubt that edeity is a cultist. I will be treating him as such and in my view there's one sort of trial that he should be involved in and it's not this one.

However, unless anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I am prepared to accept that his inclusion is likely down to embarrassing screw-up rather than conspiracy.

My mind recalls another screw up. One that was a mere typo and many people committed suicide out of shame. Many others were killed. At this point, it would probably be best should the Steward disavow Ediety and depart this life posthaste.
Failing that, Lord Khanid should disavow Steward Chakaid and Edeity and put a bullet in the back of Chakaid's head.

Drifters did New Eden a great service.
Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2015-10-20 00:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldfinch
Lyn Farel wrote:
Praefecta,

It is not a professed official Blood Raider, but a freelance capsuleer sympathizer, which was simply my point...

Otherwise, I am sorry if I was not clear enough that I can not say that I disagree with you... My apologies.

Lynara, our friend,

The Red Chamberlain*) was in [CO], or the Court Chamberlain Corporation, for the period of time that he was in league with the Blood Raiders. He was not, in fact, in [TBR]. Are we to think that by your logic the Red Chamblerlain is only "but" a "freelance sympathizer" and therefore of no concern?

Edit *) removed a name that has been stricken from the Book of Records.

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)

Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#105 - 2015-10-20 00:10:33 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Elise and pl want to front like they run Delve. Ha! Please! Blood Raiders run Delve! And we kill and do more than any other faction out here.


Yo I get that you like playing dress-up, but can you explain to these fine people who controls all the assets of value in Delve? Just press your lips together and say "you do". The region makes 450 billion a month, and you legit control 0% of that. I bet you can barely keep an office rented in that ****-hole you call a home in KFIE, and if you don't watch your tongue I can take that away from you as well. "Oh I don't want it I have other things to do" lmao the only reason you have nothing is because you're completely at my mercy.


So go on with your whimsy fairy-tales about how you're "a vicious Delve resident ", I'm sure eventually some idiot will believe you. But keep my name out your mouth before it puts you in a situation that you can't afford.


~

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2015-10-20 00:57:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

As for rifts between the Khanid and Amarr. We have no interest in furthering any rifts with the Khanid Kingdom, but we will not stand by and ignore the corruption of blood raiders.



Lies.

You are false.

As has been noted, Kador has chosen the known heretic Max Singularity to represent their House. You do nothing to mention this. You do nothing to decry the criminal actions of the Pandemic Legion pilots, nor the other NullSec pirates, nor the Matari, nor the Gallente that have been chosen. You are specifically targeting House Khanid.

You and yours have made no secret that you were displeased by the Councils' decision to allow my King to take his rightful place in the Trails. And you fear the loss of station a Khanid reign will bring you. You fear what Khanid represents on the battlefield. Since you could not get a pilot to fly for Khanid and you fear him in space, you attempt to discredit my King with slander?

PIE has three different pilots flying for three different Houses. This isn't loyalty, this is hedging a bet. Are you so desperate to be tied to the winner? Have you no faith that God will guide the hand of the victor? No. You are false. Faithless. And yes, very, very afraid.

When I flew as a Praetorian, I flew proudly. Our ships swept the Bleak Lands and the savages cowed in terror and docked when our ships appeared in local. We fought. We died. We fought again. Every death, every lost ship, all those lost crew...all died for naught because your base words besmirch the honor of all Praetorians.

You requested that I not take your pilot to task for her words, although she is beneath me. I now highly recommend you and all your lot cease your treasonous words against those in station above you.

Because no matter who wins the Throne, all will remember your treasonous words. What Emperor would have ones such as you serving them?

Remember pilot. Faith and loyalty to a real Amarr mean nothing if they have conditions. You could have quietly petitioned your superiors if you had an issue. Instead you had your pet screech on GalNet like a Vherokior fishwife. And then you added your own screechings, even when one of greater rank and station ordered your silence.

These are the actions of the mighty Praetorians? This is conspiracy and treason against God and Empire.

You want Edeity removed from Khanid because he is a Heretic? Fine. First remove Max Singularity, and the PIE pilots for the same reasons.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#107 - 2015-10-20 00:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Anyanka Funk
Elise Randolph wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Elise and pl want to front like they run Delve. Ha! Please! Blood Raiders run Delve! And we kill and do more than any other faction out here.


Yo I get that you like playing dress-up, but can you explain to these fine people who controls all the assets of value in Delve? Just press your lips together and say "you do". The region makes 450 billion a month, and you legit control 0% of that. I bet you can barely keep an office rented in that ****-hole you call a home in KFIE, and if you don't watch your tongue I can take that away from you as well. "Oh I don't want it I have other things to do" lmao the only reason you have nothing is because you're completely at my mercy.


So go on with your whimsy fairy-tales about how you're "a vicious Delve resident ", I'm sure eventually some idiot will believe you. But keep my name out your mouth before it puts you in a situation that you can't afford.



You lead an alliance of slaves. You fight like slaves. You act like slaves.
So STFU, slave!

Clarification: Elise and PL don't run **** but their mouths. And anyone can come to Delve and make as much isk as they want without PL doing **** about it.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#108 - 2015-10-20 01:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizebeth Amalath
Alar Chakaid wrote:

The only scandal I see is that in which a so-called 'Lord Admiral' allows a subordinate, of lesser blood, to manipulate him into questioning the decisions of a Royal Heir.

There will be consequences for this seditious agitation against the person of His Majesty.

I call upon you to disavow your words and repent your impiety in slandering a Royal Heir.

As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now.

For when His Majesty takes the Throne of Amarr it will be far, far too late.

Lord Alar Chakaid
Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid


I would sooner cast out Lord Khanid and the entire kingdom than cast out Samira.
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#109 - 2015-10-20 01:39:23 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Elise Randolph wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Elise and pl want to front like they run Delve. Ha! Please! Blood Raiders run Delve! And we kill and do more than any other faction out here.


Yo I get that you like playing dress-up, but can you explain to these fine people who controls all the assets of value in Delve? Just press your lips together and say "you do". The region makes 450 billion a month, and you legit control 0% of that. I bet you can barely keep an office rented in that ****-hole you call a home in KFIE, and if you don't watch your tongue I can take that away from you as well. "Oh I don't want it I have other things to do" lmao the only reason you have nothing is because you're completely at my mercy.


So go on with your whimsy fairy-tales about how you're "a vicious Delve resident ", I'm sure eventually some idiot will believe you. But keep my name out your mouth before it puts you in a situation that you can't afford.



You lead an alliance of slaves. You fight like slaves. You act like slaves.
So STFU, slave!

Clarification: Elise and PL don't run **** but their mouths. And anyone can come to Delve and make as much isk as they want without PL doing **** about it.



lmao yea you can run missions

Enjoy shooting red crosses buddy. Duckin' pathetic.

~

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2015-10-20 02:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:

I would sooner cast out Lord Khanid and the entire kingdom than cast out Samira.



My Lady,

You would rather accept the faith of a Matari commoner over the words of Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Cardinal Sourem Itharen?

For she did state, "Enforcement of the rules of the Amarr Championships will be absolute, and under the gaze of God, the Court Chamberlain will ensure that the Succession Trials stay true to the sanctity of the Holy Imperial Throne.

"There will be a zero tolerance approach to corruption, attempted collusion, and any other tomfoolery that may occur as a result of capsuleer involvement. Any instances of such behavior will be fully investigated, and any offenders eliminated. "


I have every faith that the Cardinal knows what she is doing.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#111 - 2015-10-20 02:29:11 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

Khanid gave up his claim to the throne when he rebelled against God's Holy Empire.

And they stood before Him,
bathed in His light.
Yet their eyes were blind,
Their hearts rebellious,
And their minds refused the Lord.
Darkness descended upon them,
Spreading inside their minds,
And the flames of the Lord died within them.

- Gheinok the First 1:13


Be careful calling those that overlooked the trials of our late Empress 'God' or their word 'devine'.

Also the texts you brought up are out of context to your post. Merely an attempt to give holy scripture validation to your personal agenda. Not proper or becoming of the holy texts.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2015-10-20 03:18:54 UTC

Sinjin Mokk wrote:
You would rather accept the faith of a Matari commoner over the words of Capsuleer Emissary to the Court Chamberlain Cardinal Sourem Itharen?

As you misunderstand the meaning of the word you so carelessly throw around, we quote a Matari who knows better about such things:

Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Matari means more than Minmatar blood. It means an understanding and connection to the ways of the Tribes. It means a belonging which is starting to become rare among the blood.


Lieutenant Kernher is Amarr. This means that when she meets God in Paradise, she will receive no lesser dispensation than you Lord Mokk, as you are of a race which is not True, forever tainted by the sin of your ancestors; no matter how pious, no matter how fervent and faithful. Take heed, how your defense of a Blood Raider makes you sound more like Nauplius.

We will take the word of an Amarr Lieutenant of PIE who is devout in her conviction and her Faith above the direct supporter of a Blood Raider provocateur in close proximity to the holiest of mortal offices of Heir and possibly Emperor.

Heir Khanid has no mandate from the Empress to bring an unrepetant, defiant Blood Raider into the fold. If he has no mandate, then neither does his spokesman or anyone else in the Empire under any other authority.

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#113 - 2015-10-20 03:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Alar Chakaid wrote:
As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now.


Did I strike a nerve?

I hope you remember, "my lord", that we both are descended from apostate races. Decorate your tent in all the fine livery you want, but you're still dwelling down here in the mud with me. At least my line stayed faithful after we were Reclaimed.

Amarr fights a two-front crusade. The ships and weapons are pointed at the Republic, but that's not the only rebellious colony we are Reclaiming.


I am not special. Being a capsuleer makes me a monster, but such monsters the cluster has been loathe to enforce restrictions and consequences on. So while your blooder allies use that status to engage in wanton sacrifice and blasphemous rituals, I will use it to simply speak the truth.
Grash Uriza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2015-10-20 03:31:35 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

We do not need dissection and insurrection from within.


Yet we seem to all forget that Heideran won. Oh, My apologies to the Khanids, apparently that was too soon.

Sinjin Mokk wrote:

You want Edeity removed from Khanid because he is a Heretic? Fine. First remove Max Singularity, and the PIE pilots for the same reasons.


Ah, the tried and true Khanid response to everything:
Throw it back in your face and charge you with being the heretic, or disloyal,or breeding insurrection because you dare to critique or comment on their ways. Of note has been Sinjin Mokk, who has on this particular issue been a pleasure to watch flop about like a fedo gorging on a leaking ozone container. Of course when that's not enough, threaten them.

On a personal note, it will be an honor to resume a family tradition of "cultural" exchanges with Khanid kin.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#115 - 2015-10-20 03:42:02 UTC
With all due respect to the august participants, as someone who has had to deal with a number of diplomatic missteps as of late, this topic is perhaps becoming unseemly.

If PIE wishes to express its discontent with an heir selecting an avowed Blood Raider, perhaps a formal statement may be advised, instead of what's transpiring here...?

I apologize, of course, for stepping in as an outsider.

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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#116 - 2015-10-20 03:56:08 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

As for rifts between the Khanid and Amarr. We have no interest in furthering any rifts with the Khanid Kingdom, but we will not stand by and ignore the corruption of blood raiders.



Lies.

You are false.

As has been noted, Kador has chosen the known heretic Max Singularity to represent their House. You do nothing to mention this. You do nothing to decry the criminal actions of the Pandemic Legion pilots, nor the other NullSec pirates, nor the Matari, nor the Gallente that have been chosen. You are specifically targeting House Khanid.

You and yours have made no secret that you were displeased by the Councils' decision to allow my King to take his rightful place in the Trails. And you fear the loss of station a Khanid reign will bring you. You fear what Khanid represents on the battlefield. Since you could not get a pilot to fly for Khanid and you fear him in space, you attempt to discredit my King with slander?

PIE has three different pilots flying for three different Houses. This isn't loyalty, this is hedging a bet. Are you so desperate to be tied to the winner? Have you no faith that God will guide the hand of the victor? No. You are false. Faithless. And yes, very, very afraid.

When I flew as a Praetorian, I flew proudly. Our ships swept the Bleak Lands and the savages cowed in terror and docked when our ships appeared in local. We fought. We died. We fought again. Every death, every lost ship, all those lost crew...all died for naught because your base words besmirch the honor of all Praetorians.

You requested that I not take your pilot to task for her words, although she is beneath me. I now highly recommend you and all your lot cease your treasonous words against those in station above you.

Because no matter who wins the Throne, all will remember your treasonous words. What Emperor would have ones such as you serving them?

Remember pilot. Faith and loyalty to a real Amarr mean nothing if they have conditions. You could have quietly petitioned your superiors if you had an issue. Instead you had your pet screech on GalNet like a Vherokior fishwife. And then you added your own screechings, even when one of greater rank and station ordered your silence.

These are the actions of the mighty Praetorians? This is conspiracy and treason against God and Empire.

You want Edeity removed from Khanid because he is a Heretic? Fine. First remove Max Singularity, and the PIE pilots for the same reasons.


The only reason I can imagine for this willful acceptance of a champion draped in a blood stained robe is that Omir has got his claws into you as well.

The supporters of Khanid should be leading the charge against this corruption, you should be desperate to deny Edeity's labeling of your king as a Blood Emperor. Instead you aid and abet it. You pretend that the vilest of heresies is somehow not that big of a deal.

I must conclude that you have slummed with more than just the Angels that appear on your record!

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#117 - 2015-10-20 04:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
As has been noted, Kador has chosen the known heretic Max Singularity to represent their House. You do nothing to mention this. You do nothing to decry the criminal actions of the Pandemic Legion pilots, nor the other NullSec pirates, nor the Matari, nor the Gallente that have been chosen. You are specifically targeting House Khanid.


I run an organization that has not been silent on these points. The difference is, Mokk, that not all crimes are equal. Some are graver, and such gravity requires a greater response. This thread specifically targets House Khanid, because House Khanid is championed by the most vile of heretics.

Quote:
PIE has three different pilots flying for three different Houses. This isn't loyalty, this is hedging a bet. Are you so desperate to be tied to the winner? Have you no faith that God will guide the hand of the victor? No. You are false. Faithless. And yes, very, very afraid.


PIE has four different pilots flying for three different houses because despite what some may want to assume, PIE is not a single hivemind of one belief and one ideology. We are not Sansha. Our members come from many different regions, under many different lords, and our loyalties fall with many different heirs.

We did not declare for any one heir, as an organization, because as an organization we do not support any one heir. As an organization we support the Imperial Throne, and we will support whichever one of the families ascends.

As for God's guidance. Amarr is not a faith of passive acceptance. We are the hands of God and it is our own actions that prove to Him whether or not we are worthy. God's choice is not known until we demonstrate to Him who He is best served by. God demands action, not apathy.

The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man.
- Book I 1:14
Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#118 - 2015-10-20 04:43:36 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

PIE has three different pilots flying for three different houses because despite what some may want to assume, PIE is not a single hivemind of one belief and one ideology. We are not Sansha. Our members come from many different regions, under many different lords, and our loyalties fall with many different heirs.

I normally don't like to nitpick, however considering the tone of others in this thread, it is probably best we are clear and open about any mistakes.
PIE has FOUR different captains, who have been selected as champions for THREE different houses. And it's completely possible that some of the pilots who have been selected as these champions' retainers would also come from within the ranks of PIE.

It is a shame that once again an important issue is being ignored to instead talk about the way that issue has been raised, backed with threats from those who should instead be seeking to support their King by ousting a self-admitted blooder. And again it is filled with the vitriol of Khanid's best, foaming at the mouth to attack faithful Amarrians, while completely ignoring the actual matter at hand.

Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)

Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy

Chosen by God to serve the Empire.

Grash Uriza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2015-10-20 05:17:17 UTC
"So instructed the Queen to her champion,
‘Beware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone;
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word,
Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard."
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:18


Samira Kernher,
In regards to the Amarrian Battle Monk in question: You are correct about his origins. And as it stands, your concern can be applied to several other selected captains. However, your concerns misses a key element: the Amarr Championships portion in Trials of Succession purpose is to be a measure of a Heir's might. In short, only the strongest shall lead us.

Because the nature of the Championships is a purely martial, the choice of champion is matter of the Heir's prerogative. Thus questions of a combatant's background is generally ignored as long as they are not considered persona non grata in the eyes of our Empire because all combatants have all declared loyalty to the heir. While I am unable to provide specific examples from history right now, there have been rare occasions in which an Heir has chosen an unusual captain or champion. Again, because the combatants have all declared loyalty to the heir, it opens the field for the Heir to choose from heathens, heretics, pirates (especially those preying on other houses), and slaves themselves. Thus if an Heir thinks an unusual choice this is their best option, then so be it. Having said that we are faced with where in this trial, the unusual seems to be the order of the day with the chosen champions!

As for Edeity himself, he is a member of Local Is Primary, an ally of Habitual Chaos (The Alliance of my Obsidian Cadre). They are also another alliance under the oversight of the 24th Imperial Crusade. No different from PIE. More importantly, he is apart a close ally in the battlefield and thus I know first hand the martial skill of the Battlemonks. (One myth has it that they taught DNG the ancient arts of weaponizing local) As such, the sole and only reason why he selected as a champion is that he's got the chops to take your theology book from you and beat you into the ground with it. As such, I am honored to see him selected as captain.

I know that you (Samira) wished (and unfortunately unable) to present yourself to Lord Yonis Ardishapur. For consideration, let us consider a situation where you had applied and become a chosen champion. Very easily this thread here could have been about you, "The Slave". I want to stress, how that would be a crass and uninformed opinion ignoring your achievements. To be clear, you are highly respected and lauded as you have found the path of Truth and Light of redemption. And as seen in many converts, your zeal is commendable. However in this rare case for you, It's just off the mark.

I hope this lays out your concerns, and helps others to understand better.

Deus Vult. Amarr Victor.
Grash Uriza.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#120 - 2015-10-20 05:30:12 UTC
Where you are wrong is in your claim that the nature of the championships is purely martial. There is no such separation between body and spirit. A victory won through sin is no victory at all, and God will remember such faithlessness when He bestows His final judgment.