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"Heir" Khanid selects Sani Sabik champion

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Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#81 - 2015-10-19 17:14:00 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further.

Theology Council and Ministry of Internal Order are both going to lie as usual.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#82 - 2015-10-19 17:15:00 UTC
Amarr and their collective unity and faith at work.... What a unified front.
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#83 - 2015-10-19 17:15:03 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Fun killer.

I approve of this moniker.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

A Good Poster
Doomheim
#84 - 2015-10-19 17:15:24 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further.


It would be prudent of you to consult a cosmetologist before your fashion "individualism" escalates further.
Anslo
Scope Works
#85 - 2015-10-19 17:16:15 UTC
Mitara Newelle wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Fun killer.

I approve of this moniker.

Too bad the Theology Council doesn't approve a good post of yours to share.

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Kin
Rotschreck Cartel
#86 - 2015-10-19 17:16:30 UTC

This appears to be a runaway court of public opinion.

Neither of the men accused of heresy have had the opportunity to say a single word in their own defense. I know it must be very tempting to render judgment when the evidence seems so obvious. But we the Amarr should practice some deference to Heir Khanid because justice requires collective, not one-sided participation in the proceedings, even by the accused. Perhaps you will say I am a weak Amarr, but I don't believe that deference and respect should mean that we are somehow complacent in our Faith and dedication to God.

I know all too well what happens when men of good intent and strong Faith jump to conclusions. My family was burned alive because of an accusation, a punishment made in error as it was shown by the evidence collected posthumously. It does not hurt anyone to wait and listen to what Heir Khanid and his so-called Blood Raider champion have to say as a direct response to these accusations. Until then we must fight the temptation to decide in our own minds.

I must have quoted this before, and here I do so again.
Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin.
Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder.
Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life.

--The Scriptures, Book I, The Code of Demeanor

خَلَقَ الْإِنسَانَ مِنْ عَلَقٍ

⋅⋅⋅ ᵃᶰᵈ ᴳᵒᵈ ᶜʳᵉᵃᵗᵉᵈ ᵐᵃᶰ⋅⋅⋅ ᵒᵘᵗ ᵒᶠ ᵃ ᶜᶫᵒᵗ

A Good Poster
Doomheim
#87 - 2015-10-19 17:22:33 UTC
Kin wrote:

My family was burned alive because of an accusation, a punishment made in error as it was shown by the evidence collected posthumously....

I must have quoted this before, and here I do so again.
Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin.
Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder.
Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life.

--The Scriptures, Book I, The Code of Demeanor



There will be neither compassion nor mercy;
Nor peace, nor solace
For those who bear witness to these Signs
And still do not believe.

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming, 25:10
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#88 - 2015-10-19 17:26:55 UTC
Alar Chakaid wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

When does this scandal your King has created rate more than "prattle"?


The only scandal I see is that in which a so-called 'Lord Admiral' allows a subordinate, of lesser blood, to manipulate him into questioning the decisions of a Royal Heir.

There will be consequences for this seditious agitation against the person of His Majesty.

I call upon you to disavow your words and repent your impiety in slandering a Royal Heir.

As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now.

For when His Majesty takes the Throne of Amarr it will be far, far too late.

Lord Alar Chakaid
Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid



I already knew that King Khanid II was a Rude King.

And that Commodore Arraz Nomoya was also rather Rude.

I see now, that Rudeness is a trait common in the Kingdom.

A Rude King of a Rude Kingdom.

How Rude.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#89 - 2015-10-19 17:27:57 UTC
Kin wrote:



Neither of the men accused of heresy have had the opportunity to say a single word in their own defense.



Lady Rothshreck,

Respectfully, but Edeity has had a great deal to say.

edeity wrote:
This is a fantastic opportunity for collection of some of the highest quality capsuleer genetic material. Please note we will bring a specialist ship fit accordingly to assist us in our research. Thank you all for your donations in advance.

Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6109419#post6109419

edeity wrote:

Pax Domini Garkeh Khanid.
Pax Sanguinis Emperor.

Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6059806#post6059806

And most damningly:

edeity wrote:

"In nomine domini Omir Sarikusa"
Savant of Zul-Matah

Source: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/edeity?_ga=1.59542957.1842000958.1434467318

He has had a lot to say and in so doing has convicted himself by his words as a follower of Omir Sarikusa.

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#90 - 2015-10-19 18:17:06 UTC
I urge that everyone remain calm and save their harsh words for when the trials have progressed a bit. There is a fair chance that the bridges being burnt now need not have been crossed in the first place.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Kin
Rotschreck Cartel
#91 - 2015-10-19 18:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kin
Directrix Aspenstar,

I know the quotes and I appreciate how damning it must seem, but no evidence should be weighed without a direct testimony from the accused. We must wait, be patient, and not lose our composure or our heads.

We the Amarr are a noble, intensely devout people. We should not wield pitchforks and use public outcries as a platform on which to have a Theocratic discussion.



I appreciate you calling me a Lady, it makes me smile. However, I am now simply a commoner and a merchant. What is left of what was once our Holdership is in ashes, and the parts of it that were untouched have long been annexed. I would be honored to show you our ancestral home, the ruins of which still stand as a testament to the will of House Rötschreck's forebearers.

خَلَقَ الْإِنسَانَ مِنْ عَلَقٍ

⋅⋅⋅ ᵃᶰᵈ ᴳᵒᵈ ᶜʳᵉᵃᵗᵉᵈ ᵐᵃᶰ⋅⋅⋅ ᵒᵘᵗ ᵒᶠ ᵃ ᶜᶫᵒᵗ

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#92 - 2015-10-19 18:53:21 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
I urge that everyone remain calm and save their harsh words for when the trials have progressed a bit. There is a fair chance that the bridges being burnt now need not have been crossed in the first place.


Well, yes, if the Rude King pratfalls at the first hurdle, then, hurdehurr.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#93 - 2015-10-19 19:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaven Lok'ri
Alar Chakaid wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:

When does this scandal your King has created rate more than "prattle"?


The only scandal I see is that in which a so-called 'Lord Admiral' allows a subordinate, of lesser blood, to manipulate him into questioning the decisions of a Royal Heir.

There will be consequences for this seditious agitation against the person of His Majesty.

I call upon you to disavow your words and repent your impiety in slandering a Royal Heir.

As for the lesser, who dares claim that wallowing in a slime-filled egg confers special rights on an insect such as her, she is beyond redemption and taints you all. Cast her out now.

For when His Majesty takes the Throne of Amarr it will be far, far too late.

Lord Alar Chakaid
Steward and Seneschal of House Khanid


I thank you for your enlightening response. I take it the answer to my question is that you will walk hand in hand with the heretic right to the ruination of everything holy before you accept that heresy is more than mere prattle.

Does your Lord know that you are throwing in his lot with a would-be-champion who has already declared your King to be the Red Emperor? Does he know that you do not see a scandal in his being represented by the faction who murdered the Emperor Doriam II?

Perhaps I was wrong to assume that King Khanid was creating this scandal. I certainly had thought him too canny to actively accept the support of someone who would brand him a blood raider Emperor. I cannot imagine him surviving such a long career while acting so! Did he perhaps delegate the selection of the candidates to you?

It certainly seems possible that it is you who thinks it would be a good idea to have as champion an open supporter of Omir, who calls your King "Red," and who actively crows about corrupting the trials with blood rites. For all I know, King Khanid is busy and trusted you to handle this matter. If this is the case, I will happily apologize to him for assuming his fault.

But you! You have no excuse. This thread is filled with the evidence of the evils of Edeity. His guilt is clear. He proclaims it himself! The evidence was linked in the very post you responded to as you called out me and mine. It was your thread in which the degenerate pile of excrement bragged about his ownership of a blood robe, his prize possession! It was in your thread that he had the gall to label your King a Sanguinis Emperor. There is no explanation for your acceptance of such a debased heretic.

What could explain your getting into bed with an oozing cankerous sore such as Edeity. Did you also sell your soul directly to Omir Sarikusa or is there some other reason that you ignore Edeity's corruption? What possibly could justify such a vile association? Do you also prance around in a bloody robe in some private recess of your estate, slowly bleeding your slaves to death in an unholy rite designed by a pervert? Or do you just think that people who do so are good allies?

If the corruption ends at you, I will happily apologize to King Khanid. So tell me, how high does the acceptance of Doriam's murderers go in the Kingdom? Whom do you really serve? It cannot be God.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Slobodan Hawkwood
House Hawkwood of Amarr
#94 - 2015-10-19 19:43:39 UTC
I'd also like to call all parties to calm down and stop this before escalate further.
I agree that having proven and declared heretic as champion for His Majesty King Khanid II is very concerning, we should all have faith that Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order will deal with this properly.
There is no need for causing rift between Amarr and Kingdom loyalist, we should all be working on full reunification which will make Amarr Empire stronger.

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Paladin's Creed

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#95 - 2015-10-19 20:20:34 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Perhaps, besides all the demanded claims of loyalty and required (easily farmable..) standings to the Amarr Empire, all these champions are nothing more than combat hounds thrown in a pit to decide the fate of the Throne, much like people bet on furriers.

And fickle freelance capsuleers not exactly famous for their sticking loyalties and knowing perfectly they will never be part of any official entity of any faction that they claim supporting...

In such a view, does it matter so much where their so called sympathies lie?

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:


Seriously, get over yourselves. One blooder hired by Khanid and ratified by the Councils is no more a danger than the other criminals THAT EVERY OTHER HEIR HIRED.


Are you seriously suggesting that criminals who are primarily guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots are equivalent to a Blood Raider?



Are you suggesting that a freelance capsuleers probably only guilty of criminal actions towards other pod pilots that felt to write something in his public record about supporting Sarikusa, is a Blood Raider...?

Might be though, did he run missions for them?


Adepta Farel,

It does matter when it is a professed Blood Raider and Omir sycopant. This is the agenda of the person in question " Peace of the Lord Garkeh Khanid/ Peace of the Red Emperor". His agenda goes directly to the security and integrity of the Empire and the Faith in a way that, frankly, no one else in the trials does.

I expect the Society will shortly be issuing a more formal communication our position in this matter to the appropriate authorities. It is my hope that once the appropriate authorities are notified of this apparent oversight, appropriate action will be taken.

Directrix Lunarisse Aspenstar Daphiti


Praefecta,

It is not a professed official Blood Raider, but a freelance capsuleer sympathizer, which was simply my point...

Otherwise, I am sorry if I was not clear enough that I can not say that I disagree with you... My apologies.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#96 - 2015-10-19 20:37:31 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Mitara Newelle wrote:
It would be prudent for a representative of the Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order to speak to this matter before it escalates further.

Theology Council and Ministry of Internal Order are both going to lie as usual.


I'm not sure if having a Sani Sabik cultist supporting edeity does his case any favours.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2015-10-19 20:41:10 UTC
Slobodan Hawkwood wrote:
I'd also like to call all parties to calm down and stop this before escalate further.
I agree that having proven and declared heretic as champion for His Majesty King Khanid II is very concerning, we should all have faith that Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order will deal with this properly.
There is no need for causing rift between Amarr and Kingdom loyalist, we should all be working on full reunification which will make Amarr Empire stronger.



Lord Slobodan,

Thank you for these words.

If there is a rift now between Khanid and certain others within the Empire, do please remember that we did not cause it. As we are, we do not seek enemies within the Empire.

But as we are, we do not surrender our honor to those who would besmirch it.

We will follow the words of Lord Alar Chakaid and our King and Heir and await the justice due to those who think it appropriate to question their betters.


Khanid Victor!
Amarr Victor!

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#98 - 2015-10-19 20:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
There can be no doubt that edeity is a cultist. I will be treating him as such and in my view there's one sort of trial that he should be involved in and it's not this one.

However, unless anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I am prepared to accept that his inclusion is likely down to embarrassing screw-up rather than conspiracy.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#99 - 2015-10-19 21:26:05 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Slobodan Hawkwood wrote:
I'd also like to call all parties to calm down and stop this before escalate further.
I agree that having proven and declared heretic as champion for His Majesty King Khanid II is very concerning, we should all have faith that Theology Council or Ministry of Internal Order will deal with this properly.
There is no need for causing rift between Amarr and Kingdom loyalist, we should all be working on full reunification which will make Amarr Empire stronger.



Lord Slobodan,

Thank you for these words.

If there is a rift now between Khanid and certain others within the Empire, do please remember that we did not cause it. As we are, we do not seek enemies within the Empire.

But as we are, we do not surrender our honor to those who would besmirch it.

We will follow the words of Lord Alar Chakaid and our King and Heir and await the justice due to those who think it appropriate to question their betters.


Khanid Victor!
Amarr Victor!


Careful, lest you tar yourself a blood raider collaborator right alongside your Lord Alar Chakaid, who has clearly damned himself of outright collaboration at the worst, and gross incompetence at the best in his handling of this issue.

The case against Edeity is damning. So is the case against whomever reviewed his application and chose to accept it and against anyone who saw that application and chose to not take action to bar it. Everyone involved is guilty of either collaboration or negligence and certainly not the better of anyone in the Praetoria.

The key question is who made those decisions. I am fully prepared to believe that the person who reviewed that application and accepted it was not King Khanid, but rather one of his underlings. As I stated earlier, I cannot believe that Khanid would be happy to be called the Red Emperor. If he truly was not involved with this decision, I will personally formally apologize to Khanid for having assumed the worst in my distress at the discovery of this nest of diseased adders.

Of course, whether or not he is ignorant of the issue, if he remains so for too long and Edeity manages to corrupt the finals of the Tournament, he will find that the foundation of his new reign is built on sand. Any Succession Trial a blood raider wins is by definition not a Succession Trial. And an Emperor crowned on false pretenses is not an Emperor but rather a Usurper.

If Khanid wants to protect his legacy and his potential reign, it is imperative that he condemn Edeity and punish those within his administration who have put him in this compromised position. Alar Chakaid will certainly be among the guilty.

As for rifts between the Khanid and Amarr. We have no interest in furthering any rifts with the Khanid Kingdom, but we will not stand by and ignore the corruption of blood raiders.

In fact, to any right minded person, we are doing the Khanid people a service by drawing this sordid nest of blood raider apologists into the light of day!

There is no excuse and no hiding place for Doriam's Killers! There can be no Second Karsoth!

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Anslo
Scope Works
#100 - 2015-10-19 21:30:01 UTC
So the Amarr poster group is now slamming a Khanid official. Is the Theology council going to let PIE continue this way? Is their silence unofficial approval of public contempt of Khanid? Will Khanid himself react?

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