Crime & Punishment

So your standard is that until X-FEANOR is able to fly safely in highsec with 10B ISK+ loads of cargo, suicide ganking is unbalanced? That guy is a fool who likes to shove far too much ISK into his ship week after week. Are you seriously suggesting we balance the game around that behaviour?

Red Frog has a 1B ISK limit for a reason.

"Legislating" common sense and bypassing Darwin in the process, that always ends well; just look at the some of the asinine crap that the Health and Safety Executive in the UK comes up with.

I count station trading amongst my activities and it is responsible for a goodly chunk of my meagre wealth, but most of my time is spent undocked, missioning, the odd bit of mining, as well as shipping stuff around for sale and my PI operation.

Repeating it doesn't make it true.

Oh but it is so true.

Tell me, do you bling fit your mission boat, or do you hang with T2 modules in a Marauder like I do?

That could be defined as an argument shifting post, the hard coding is already there and badly implemented, so that there are no consequences to the gankers, just a blown up Catalyst, a blown up shuttle and a sec status hit, wow... Eve has consequences, my heart almost stopped at the thought of it...

I think he gets a bit annoyed, but he definitely has the ISK.

EDIT: Its not so much that HSE exists because stupid people do stupid stuff, its more like intelligent people realised that they could get nice well paid cushy non-jobs by pushing that agenda while crippling the economy with unnecessary cost for risks that have little cost benefit. They are perfectly intelligent people, but their agenda is not quite what it seems.

Hi. You must be new here.

You are correct, a fleet of gankers does everything it can to tip the scales to their advantage. However you missed one key point.

1) Freighter pilot is in a fleet (just like the gankers) and has a scout. Freighter never lands on grid because scout sees the gankers in local and the known bump alt on gate. Absolute advantage, freighter pilot.





2) Freighter pilot is in a fleet (just like the gankers) and has a logistics cruiser or two. Gank fleet doesn't engage because they know the next idiot won't have reps. Absolute advantage, freighter pilot.

See how easy it is? [/quote]



As I said ...hard to admit for them gankers!

1) OF COURSE, scouts they do see the logged off gankers!!! Ofc, scouts see a bunch of gankers not on DS? Do you hear yourself????

2) Of course you are good in numbers! How many extra gankers you need for every rep. in the freighter fleet? Try a simple math....ummm, 1 maybe 2....

You're entitled to your opinion; the only people that matter, CCP, have their own, thankfully it doesn't appear to align with yours.[/quote]

Forums are made for discussions. I think I have a clue why CCP does various things..and from their income perspectives seems to be one of the measures. That does not mean however is fair for all parties involved!

The point I was making is that gankers probably have as much overall time invested in training SP as a freighter pilot and his often missing support do. The fact that the time is spread over multiple pilots is irrelevant.

T2 Catalysts took, up until recently, 7 to 9 days to train into from scratch (this has probably changed with the new starter SP, I haven't looked into it). Gankers don't only fly Catalysts they also use other gank ships, the Talos and Brutix amongst them, the Talos and Brutix taking 40-50 days to train into T2 fits from scratch. Now multiply those numbers by the size of a typical freighter ganking fleet, which can be up to 20 or more people, depending on what is being flown. So yeah, you're wrong.

FYI using disposable alts to evade the consequences of negative security status is a bannable offence.

Allow me to give you a history lesson.

At one time it was possible to suicide gank pretty much anything with a battleship and make a profit, because if it was insured you got an insurance payout regardless of what made it explode, the payout was occasionally more than what your ship actually cost. In effect you could suicide gank people, using Battleship hulls, for free.

Ganking is now more expensive than it has ever been in the past, the only reason CODE. can keep throwing ships at freighters is because they have a donation funded ship replacement program, their pilots don't have to hand over their loot, they often do in the form of donations to the SRP but they can keep it for themselves. MiniLuv also have an SRP, being an arm of Goonswarm they're no doubt well funded.

Your response suggests that you consider the value of the ship to be important in terms of balance, we call that isk tanking and will ridicule you relentlessly about it because cost is not a consideration for balance.

This is a PvP game, deal with it.

It is up to you to try to make it fair, or unfair as the case maybe, welcome to the sandbox.

First of all the using of disposable alts for ganking is a bannable offense but it is not really policed, much as sharing account is not policed.

Its not such disposable alts but the fact that these people have lots of accounts and many casual players often have one account, they will go on about you having a scout which of course means for casual hisec players it is something they don't do, so the next option is friends, but as most hisec corps are small due to excessive scatter gun war decs or that the pilot is in a NPC corp does not help much. And of course you can imagine it, hi mate, could you web my freighter, an hour of fun webbing a freighter across hisec...

They will tell you about how much easier ganking is, because before CCP used to give insurance payouts to gankers, so now its super expensive except it is not. CODE are funded by donations by Goon players among many, while Miniluv is funded by the Goons. They are awash with ISK from funding and from the looting they do.

They will accuse you of asking for ISK tanking, but many Goons run around in Titans that cannot be killed by a couple of Catalysts, unlike a freighter..., so much for ISK tanking as a throw in comment...

They will make statements such as Eve is a PvP game, deal with it, but Eve is more than a PvP game in a number of ways even if that content is not exactly setting your pulse going. I am in a mission someone comes in and does not find an MTU to shoot, pity that, also my drones are not set to aggressive, oh dear, I won twice there, he loots a wreck and I ignore him because I don't salvage or loot the wrecks, I have won my PvP tussle, I won Eve.

Players can make it as unfair as they want, but CCP has to be careful with doing just that, they have failed in terms of hisec, oh dear a ganker lost his catalyst and a noob ship and some sec status, I bet he has nightmares for months afterwards.

The joys of the ganker themepark known as hisec...

Guys, given that our one more nerf strategy has been working so well it's time to up our game. Let's get highsec nerfed into the ground once and for all. Multiple more nerfs!



$100 says he can't provide any proof at all that CCP don't police gank alt recycling.