EVE General Discussion

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=451065

Is upcoming, in December as CCP stated. I am not a man of much maths. So I would like to hear some of the opinions of people who are. Some projections for player patterns and feedback from experienced guys would be nice, but younger player opinions would be appreciated as well. I would like to get a better grasp on the upcoming changes. Kudos to Suitonia btw who was apparently so influential in changes that were made.

That isn't exactly. . . helpful. Most of the thread itself is reactionary. People posting responses based on what they see immediately, rather than by insight, followed by an ensuing trail of hatred for the reactionary responses that were posted in the beginning, or people defending responses in the begin. After a couple of pages it becomes a droll read with nothing really helpful at all. I was hoping to solicit more insightful opinions with a less crowded and less antagonistic thread.

There doesn't really seem much to discuss on the topic. The changes seem pretty straight-forward honestly.

I understand that they happened and what happened, but I still feel like there are more things to be said about them.

- How does the changes to the rifter and slasher really affect their performance? Significantly enough that their usage goes up? They seem to be generally antiquated in their roles and still fall flat in comparison to other t1s. Was this buff large enough?

-How large will that speed drop to the tristan really effect it in a combat scenario with props? Ab? Mwd?

-Is the punisher change not enough? Could they have had a better change to the bonus than "reduce laser cap use"? Does this mean that autocannon punishers are back? Is this punisher more comparable to the retribution now that the slots will be similar?

-What do you think about the changes to the Hookbill/Firetail? Does this make them comparable to the Slicer/Comet? Are these buffs enough to compete with the Slicer/Comet?

-Does the navy osprey change actually help it with its objective of being a "flexible destroyer of small ships"?

-Does the Sac pass seem underwhelming to you? Is it still in line with other HACS/faction cruisers?

-Worm/Gila/Othrus deserve their nerfs? Are there nerfs enough? Too much? Do you think they will still dwarf other ships in their fields as the dominant force of whatever?

-Do people stil make pancake jokes about the Barghest?

Noted.

The primary complaint of the Orthrus that I understand of it is its insane damage application with Rapid Lights, in conjunction with its other strengths. Decreasing drone dps wouldn't really mitigate the issue that it presents. Nerfing the mobility or the extended point range would handle much of the problem as well, but I don't think that CCP is willing to hurt the faction theme so harshly.

Yea, pretty much what I figured. Managed to find a niche use for the Orthrus in PvE but with te sizable dps nerf it probably wont be viable for that anymore. yes I know it's a 'primarily PvP ship' but it's still a reduction in diversity all the same :/

welcome to the eve-o forums. yea I totally get that, I did think there were a few good responses at least.

as for the orthrus it has 10 effective launchers right now putting it somewhere between BC and Command ship missile damage. and given the Drake and Nighthawk have kinetic bonuses... well that puts the orthrus ahead in 3 damage types. 8.75 effective launchers is still a lot of damage for a cruiser. I should note that it isn't directly comparable as the orthrus bonus applies to RLML where drake/NH bonuses are for HML/HAM. Oh and look the Ospery Navy is going UP to 6.75 launchers, 2 effective short of the proposed orthrus.

imo slasher/rifter have a dps problem, I wanted to suggest small AC buffs, but then the svipul came along.

punisher, seems somewhat interesting. most people in that thread seem fixated on 1v1 frig combat, mostly involving scram kiting, in which case they can go and use the tormentor. not sure if the proposed punisher will be interesting enough to fly or not. I think it might work as a cheap slicer?


well the gila is getting a nerf too, so not quite sure what the new times will be.