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New Invulnerability Fields on test server
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Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-01-05 15:46:06 UTC
So...

The new Invulnerability Fields are on SiSi server, looks nice but.... CCP

They are active harderdeners and we were told that you guys whould be looking to introduce a
passive hardener to make shield capitals tank a bit less vulnerable to neuts etc.
Any news on that.... or is this it?

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#2 - 2012-01-05 18:54:26 UTC
Out of curiosity where did you find the data for these, chaos build?

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Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-01-05 19:19:01 UTC
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#4 - 2012-01-05 19:29:10 UTC
Much appreciated. Hopefully the price of Gurista/CN's will come way down.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#5 - 2012-01-05 20:37:58 UTC
no passive adaptive for shields they are already op in comparison to armor tanks... hmm pith A type invul eh? i needs this for my snake...

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Isbariya
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-05 20:42:01 UTC
looks good to me, anything about new implants ? not at home so I can't check sisi atm
Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-01-05 20:52:48 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
no passive adaptive for shields they are already op in comparison to armor tanks... hmm pith A type invul eh? i needs this for my snake...



I mean more like; so that you can choose.
either a active invul field with lots of resist
or a passive with less resist (like how the CN/DGs are now)
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#8 - 2012-01-05 22:36:30 UTC
Shields should not get a passive omni, thats what armour gets. So unless your planning on giving armour an active omni then I call bs. Having that difference between the two is a good thing imo.
Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-01-05 23:50:21 UTC
Covert Kitty wrote:
Shields should not get a passive omni, thats what armour gets. So unless your planning on giving armour an active omni then I call bs. Having that difference between the two is a good thing imo.


I tend to agree with you here... There should be a difference between armor and shield.
and now that I learned about the new shield (fleet) bonus thing I am thinking we might not even
need a passive hardener... but still, just asking.

Comparing the Aeon with Wyvern... the Wyvern still lacks some EHP I think.
Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-01-05 23:53:23 UTC
I'd like a passive one. Would make tanking small ships like frigs a lot less massively cap dependent.
MastahFR
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-01-06 02:11:51 UTC
Good they did put a new deadspace invu. But fact is, the Hel still suck as supercarrier and need an urgent fix.
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-06 04:19:12 UTC
for reference

New Invulns
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#13 - 2012-01-06 04:32:13 UTC
I see still nothing beats good ol' Estamel. Thanks for the comparo screenshot.

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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#14 - 2012-01-06 11:28:58 UTC
Palovana wrote:
I see still nothing beats good ol' Estamel. Thanks for the comparo screenshot.


It'd be ridiculous if they did.

They bridge the gap between faction and Estamel by seeding a more common alternative to the rarer officer types on the Market. Hopefully we'll see CN/DG prices come down.

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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#15 - 2012-01-06 13:04:40 UTC
The differences between armor and shield are very delicately balanced performance wise (price is something else)
Yes invuls can be shut off, but on the other hand they can also be overheated. And why should we not be able to shut down the tank on a super capital with neuts? Just get some cap transfer and be happy you can overheat...
Callic Veratar
#16 - 2012-01-06 17:25:54 UTC
The EM/Therm/Exp/Kin Shield Compensation skills give a 3%/level resistance bonus to disabled active shield hardeners. Maybe this should be buffed to take into consideration what Shield Hardener is fit on the ship?

Possibly something like "To Active Shield Hardeners: 12% bonus per skill level to of the modules resistance to Shield resistance when the modules are not active."

Math reasoning for 12%:

Invulnerability Field I gives a 25% bonus to all resistances. Current default is 15% bonus to all resistances at level 5 of the Shield Compensation skills. From there 60% of 25% is 15%. An Invulnerability Field II would be bumped up from 15% passive to 18% passive and Estamel's at the top would go from 15% to 30%. The buff to the high end gear would be nice without making the low end stuff totally OP.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-07 03:54:27 UTC
Emmerik wrote:
So...

The new Invulnerability Fields are on SiSi server, looks nice but.... CCP

They are active harderdeners and we were told that you guys whould be looking to introduce a
passive hardener to make shield capitals tank a bit less vulnerable to neuts etc.
Any news on that.... or is this it?



Yes please do it Roll

I also need some passive armor repairer, using 0 cap 3sec tic, the amount? the max of course !!
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-01-07 04:00:16 UTC
Joelleaveek wrote:
for reference

New Invulns


I should really go with my toon to minmatar null sec...
Lady Aja
#19 - 2012-01-07 17:58:20 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Palovana wrote:
I see still nothing beats good ol' Estamel. Thanks for the comparo screenshot.


It'd be ridiculous if they did.

Hopefully we'll see CN/DG prices come down.



that wont happen buddy.

faction invulns prices are controlled by tags prices.

15 x Federation Navy Fleet Major Insignia I = 1.5m
66 x Federation Navy Fleet Colonel Insignia I = 237+m
98 x Federation Navy Fleet Colonel Insignia II = 75+m

plus 72m from lp store.

thats not from blue prints either...
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#20 - 2012-01-07 18:47:36 UTC
50% across the board for estamels O_O thats like a 4 hardeners in one thing O_O
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