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How the Amarr Championship Heirs chose their Champions
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StarFleetCommander
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#21 - 2015-10-16 17:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: StarFleetCommander
Kalaratiri wrote:
StarFleetCommander wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:

Second bet is how many teams Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris has 1, 3 or 5?

(answer is also 3)


According to the recent announcement, it appears all 3 of your options were incorrect. The correct answer, as it turns out, appears to be four.

Congrats to all the captains who got picked. Looks like a good, varied field of people to me.


Nice 4 teams from the same alliance! lets just ignore all of the other credible teams that applied....

Congrats to PL for winning the Amarr Championships 2016!!!


If you bothered reading, you'd know that it's 4 teams from PIE, not PL.


PL have 3 teams :P

I mean good luck to them im sure they will put a good show but so many teams are from the same alliance or corp it just seems little to no thought was put into the selection
StarFleetCommander
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#22 - 2015-10-16 17:55:33 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
gz to PIE on 4 teams from same corp :D


This ^^^ :)
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#23 - 2015-10-16 18:04:44 UTC
StarFleetCommander wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
StarFleetCommander wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:

Second bet is how many teams Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris has 1, 3 or 5?

(answer is also 3)


According to the recent announcement, it appears all 3 of your options were incorrect. The correct answer, as it turns out, appears to be four.

Congrats to all the captains who got picked. Looks like a good, varied field of people to me.


Nice 4 teams from the same alliance! lets just ignore all of the other credible teams that applied....

Congrats to PL for winning the Amarr Championships 2016!!!


If you bothered reading, you'd know that it's 4 teams from PIE, not PL.


PL have 3 teams :P

I mean good luck to them im sure they will put a good show but so many teams are from the same alliance or corp it just seems little to no thought was put into the selection


In fairness, PIE as a corp are 12 years old and have remained loyal to the Amarr that entire time. They only fly Amarr ships in normal play, never mind the tournament. If you want Empire loyalists, you really don't have to look any further.

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#24 - 2015-10-16 18:09:42 UTC
You seem so shocked that a group of Amarr loyalist roleplayers with about a dozen years of constant dedicated effort towards serving their faction, even before FW was a thing, have successfully applied to help usher in one of the most significant changes to the future of their faction in years, when it was clearly stated from the outset that the Heirs would be involved in the selection of the champions.

Heirs, as in the in-universe, in-character entities. Making decisions as they would, as individuals, within the universe of New Eden. Some of them chose to risk selecting mercenaries with no real demonstration of loyalty to their cause or to the Empire. And some chose to hedge their bets on captains they did not feel were corruptible by ISK or other factors.

It's not favoritism from CCP. It's characters within the game universe acting according to their beliefs.

And given that those characters happen to be Amarrian, it is a little ignorant to expect them to not look at people who have consistently displayed their loyalty more favorably than those who have not.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
StarFleetCommander
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#25 - 2015-10-16 18:10:06 UTC


Quote:
In fairness, PIE as a corp are 12 years old and have remained loyal to the Amarr that entire time. They only fly Amarr ships in normal play, never mind the tournament. If you want Empire loyalists, you really don't have to look any further.


Being loyal to the armarr fair but everyone has to have good standings thats a requirement, but standings to specific airs dont count, plus if this is RP and one of your hostile air's picks a team from a corp would you go and pick a team from there aswell? i wouldnt
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#26 - 2015-10-16 18:14:20 UTC
StarFleetCommander wrote:


Quote:
In fairness, PIE as a corp are 12 years old and have remained loyal to the Amarr that entire time. They only fly Amarr ships in normal play, never mind the tournament. If you want Empire loyalists, you really don't have to look any further.


Being loyal to the armarr fair but everyone has to have good standings thats a requirement, but standings to specific airs dont count, plus if this is RP and one of your hostile air's picks a team from a corp would you go and pick a team from there aswell? i wouldnt


As PIE as a corp has not signed up to one single Heir, and in fact made it quite clear that individual pilots would be allowed to pick their own Heir to support..

Sure, why not?

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AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-10-16 18:14:35 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
You seem so shocked that a group of Amarr loyalist roleplayers with about a dozen years of constant dedicated effort towards serving their faction, even before FW was a thing, have successfully applied to help usher in one of the most significant changes to the future of their faction in years, when it was clearly stated from the outset that the Heirs would be involved in the selection of the champions.

Heirs, as in the in-universe, in-character entities. Making decisions as they would, as individuals, within the universe of New Eden. Some of them chose to risk selecting mercenaries with no real demonstration of loyalty to their cause or to the Empire. And some chose to hedge their bets on captains they did not feel were corruptible by ISK or other factors.

It's not favoritism from CCP. It's characters within the game universe acting according to their beliefs.

And given that those characters happen to be Amarrian, it is a little ignorant to expect them to not look at people who have consistently displayed their loyalty more favorably than those who have not.


So you're calling PL loyalist towards amarr?:D LAWL

You do realise CVA had applications in and guess what THEY DIDN'T GET IN!?!?

The biggest amarrian "RP" Entity didn't get in? wtf ill due process is this shiet?
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2015-10-16 18:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Excepting, SFC, that PIE made an announcement that as a corp it was abstaining from declaring support for an heir.

The basic idea, remember, isn't that this is an alliance tournament or even a corporate tournament, but about individual combat.

AmarrTournament1o1, Morlag's talking about PIE.

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#29 - 2015-10-16 18:16:09 UTC
JubbadahuT wrote:
This is the biggest bullshit i have ever seen...we tryed to push our standings...made vidoes...

3 PL teams....you are the ****....


Dunno about Fafer but Elise and I both did a ton of missions and worked on our standings for this, also quality video submissions.
Wouldn't be very fair if they rejected us just because we're PL.
5 out of 8 applications from people in PL did not make it in by my count.

PS; I have 9.28 unmodified standing to Amarr Empire
StarFleetCommander
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WE FORM V0LTA
#30 - 2015-10-16 18:18:05 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
JubbadahuT wrote:
This is the biggest bullshit i have ever seen...we tryed to push our standings...made vidoes...

3 PL teams....you are the ****....


Dunno about Fafer but Elise and I both did a ton of missions and worked on our standings for this, also quality video submissions.
Wouldn't be very fair if they rejected us just because we're PL.
5 out of 8 applications from people in PL did not make it in by my count.

PS; I have 9.28 unmodified standing to Amarr Empire



I think everyone did loads of missions mate,cos standings
StarFleetCommander
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#31 - 2015-10-16 18:19:07 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Excepting, SFC, that PIE made an announcement that as a corp it was abstaining from declaring support for an heir.

The basic idea, remember, isn't that this is an alliance tournament or even a corporate tournament, but about individual combat.

AmarrTournament1o1, Morlag's talking about PIE.


its 4v4?
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#32 - 2015-10-16 18:19:57 UTC
AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
You seem so shocked that a group of Amarr loyalist roleplayers with about a dozen years of constant dedicated effort towards serving their faction, even before FW was a thing, have successfully applied to help usher in one of the most significant changes to the future of their faction in years, when it was clearly stated from the outset that the Heirs would be involved in the selection of the champions.

Heirs, as in the in-universe, in-character entities. Making decisions as they would, as individuals, within the universe of New Eden. Some of them chose to risk selecting mercenaries with no real demonstration of loyalty to their cause or to the Empire. And some chose to hedge their bets on captains they did not feel were corruptible by ISK or other factors.

It's not favoritism from CCP. It's characters within the game universe acting according to their beliefs.

And given that those characters happen to be Amarrian, it is a little ignorant to expect them to not look at people who have consistently displayed their loyalty more favorably than those who have not.


So you're calling PL loyalist towards amarr?:D LAWL

You do realise CVA had applications in and guess what THEY DIDN'T GET IN!?!?

The biggest amarrian "RP" Entity didn't get in? wtf ill due process is this shiet?


No, you moron, I'm calling PIE loyalists.

I was actually referring to PL's entrants in particular when I used the word "mercenaries," based on the alliance's actions over the years.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#33 - 2015-10-16 18:20:39 UTC
JubbadahuT wrote:
This is the biggest bullshit i have ever seen...we tryed to push our standings...made vidoes...

3 PL teams....you are the ****....



Yo I ran close to 400 level 4 missions to get my standings near maxed, read every chronicle, re-read the Empyrean Age, started a war on the RP forum, attended several in-game RP events (which I can say for certain none of you people did), captured a station, and dropped about 10k AUR on Sarum skins and dank Amarr hats. I took "try hard" to its limits.

Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos.

~
AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#34 - 2015-10-16 18:26:46 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
AmarrTournament1o1 wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
You seem so shocked that a group of Amarr loyalist roleplayers with about a dozen years of constant dedicated effort towards serving their faction, even before FW was a thing, have successfully applied to help usher in one of the most significant changes to the future of their faction in years, when it was clearly stated from the outset that the Heirs would be involved in the selection of the champions.

Heirs, as in the in-universe, in-character entities. Making decisions as they would, as individuals, within the universe of New Eden. Some of them chose to risk selecting mercenaries with no real demonstration of loyalty to their cause or to the Empire. And some chose to hedge their bets on captains they did not feel were corruptible by ISK or other factors.

It's not favoritism from CCP. It's characters within the game universe acting according to their beliefs.

And given that those characters happen to be Amarrian, it is a little ignorant to expect them to not look at people who have consistently displayed their loyalty more favorably than those who have not.


So you're calling PL loyalist towards amarr?:D LAWL

You do realise CVA had applications in and guess what THEY DIDN'T GET IN!?!?

The biggest amarrian "RP" Entity didn't get in? wtf ill due process is this shiet?


No, you moron, I'm calling PIE loyalists.

I was actually referring to PL's entrants in particular when I used the word "mercenaries," based on the alliance's actions over the years.


But then you're supporting exactly the issue we are refering too!
Tzuko1
The All-Seeing Eye
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#35 - 2015-10-16 18:27:42 UTC
Just to be fair, i expected something different. Most teams have a lot experience in AT envirement. Its nice to be a loyal amarrian but in eve it shouldnt count that much. Also that loyal to amarr aliance can play in here, but it seems to me there is no competition to the PL teams. It will most likely end up a free ticket to elise and some other PL guys (PL vs PL final).

So overall im unhappy that AT experience doesnt matter in a close envirement to that and the fact , that being loyal in paper count more.

I would have seen more ATers and ther would be a lot more space for that if u not picking too much from the same group. I feel its unfair.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#36 - 2015-10-16 18:27:42 UTC
Christ, Elise, you went all in. I wouldn't wish a re-read of Empyrean Age on anyone.

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#37 - 2015-10-16 18:31:11 UTC
Tzuko1 wrote:
Just to be fair, i expected something different. Most teams have a lot experience in AT envirement. Its nice to be a loyal amarrian but in eve it shouldnt count that much. Also that loyal to amarr aliance can play in here, but it seems to me there is no competition to the PL teams. It will most likely end up a free ticket to elise and some other PL guys (PL vs PL final).

So overall im unhappy that AT experience doesnt matter in a close envirement to that and the fact , that being loyal in paper count more.

I would have seen more ATers and ther would be a lot more space for that if u not picking too much from the same group. I feel its unfair.


There's lots of competition, let's not forget Chessur's Warlords of the Deep team :P
Exodus have a team, Triumvirate have teams, The Bastards, Hard Knocks..
AmarrTournament1o1
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-10-16 18:31:47 UTC
Tzuko1 wrote:
Just to be fair, i expected something different. Most teams have a lot experience in AT envirement. Its nice to be a loyal amarrian but in eve it shouldnt count that much. Also that loyal to amarr aliance can play in here, but it seems to me there is no competition to the PL teams. It will most likely end up a free ticket to elise and some other PL guys (PL vs PL final).

So overall im unhappy that AT experience doesnt matter in a close envirement to that and the fact , that being loyal in paper count more.

I would have seen more ATers and ther would be a lot more space for that if u not picking too much from the same group. I feel its unfair.


Exactly there were applications from 4-5 other experienced Alliance Tournament teams, but CCP wanted 3x PL 4x PIE 2x Test 3xPFR
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#39 - 2015-10-16 18:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Elise Randolph wrote:
Your corp members post was nice and the video was neat, but it wasn't a PvP video (part of the requirements for entry). You dubbed an Eve trailer. Everyone else in that house who was selected submitted actual PvP videos.


This.

Any application that didn't post a combat video was probably ignored outright for not meeting the requirements. And there were a lot of people who didn't.


From the Dev Blog:

Quote:
Applications must include:

...
A video showcasing your skills in combat. Use of Amarr ships and fighting in small gang/solo scenarios are recommended, but not required. Note that the video does not need to be from an IC perspective.
...


Anyone who failed to follow the requirements has no one to blame but themselves.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#40 - 2015-10-16 18:37:35 UTC
I don't think CCP wanted 3 PL teams, they were just being (mostly) fair about selecting based on merit and quality of application.

I'm actually pretty sure they rejected both the 4th and 5th best applications to Ardishapur simply because the applicants were PL , one of the teams they let in there didn't even have a video.