Crime & Punishment

Well there is shooting the wrecks and people do do that, one of my friends for example, but that is the only thing that seems to work, but so few do it and they cannot be everywhere, once you have bumped the freighter off grid the chances of that happening become a lot less.

So even though you made a fuss, I guess you are not too bothered about this change then?

Finally I think you can sit happy knowing that you have driven a majority of the casual players out of Eve, well done, clap clap...

Combat probes, hmmm, 5 out of my 6 toons can do it and one is maxed skills and has a full virture set, but I was not talking about me, I had no issues probing down bumpers and their prey off grid. Just that the people I know doing the wreck destruction needed others to probe down the freighter. Jumped in right there didn't you

I freely admit that I do not know the mechanics that the gankers use 100%, but I know enough. I saved a HAX JF when they were part of NCDOT., I bumped the JF away just as CODE and Goon gankers started firing on it, got 500m for that save, as he jumped out 30 seconds afterwards.

Talking about me not being made for this game, your having a laugh, I play this game because I like to test myself against shite heads like you, CODE has not managed to get a single kill on any of my toons, problem for CCP is that not that many people are like me.

As for what you should do in this game, go back to your Goon toon and start a war with PL and use those Supers and Titans.

Well people who assist AG are generally allocating one toon which is often a low skilled toon from the hisec sandbox that due to excessive war dec'ing is mainly made up of NPC corps or one man corps. They do not have a TS server as such, though when I was there we did have select people come on our server. It was basically people coming along to help a bit in the main with one of their low level toons and they did it with very little help and making no ISK what so ever, but I think you know that. Compare that to the organisation of CODE and Goons and of course its no competition, though the AG people have done some good saves at times.

I enjoyed that bump very much, like to mention it.

In the hisec sandbox the players there are not really able to handle the organisation Goons/CODE, nor their funding. Yes this level of ganking has made people leave the game, I expect that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside, but hisec is not able to deal with this at all because the war decs have made it impossible to have bigger corps.

CODE was created by a Goon and works very closely with the Goons, from my prespective they are part of the Goons and there are so many ganks where CODE and Goons work together. And a lot of CODE funding comes from the Goons.

And I remind you that I am not in hisec, I am in null sec at the moment, having a bit of a break while our prey which are Russian mission runners get back their losses then its back to killing, by the way they can shoot back...

I don't know anything about the history between code and Goonswarm, but I can tell you with 100% confidence that code is not blue with the Imperium. If you dot believe me I could tell you a long entertaining story I'm sure you would enjoy... That's if I cared enough to prove my point. It does appear as though Code and Goonswarm is joined at the hip, and the two organizations do work together closely at times but that's because they have similar interests. Do you think Imperium diplo confronted Loyalanon when I dunked that 40b FCON Jump Freighter? Code doesn't discriminate when killing freighters.

Ultimately you're mad that a group of hyper-organized pilots and their alts are extremely effective at killing freighters. First you cry about organized groups being too strong and not being contested well, then on the other hand you say that hyperdunking is bad because clever use of mechanics should be able to overcome a freighter or jump freighter. What exactly do you want? Do you want ganking in all forms to be banned or made impossible? Do you want freighters and jump freighters to fly around while being invincible?

im sorry anti-ganking isn't as fun or effective as freighter ganking, but maybe you should do something else? I know everyone associated ganking with Code and Miniluv, but in Septemper my partner and I killed a very significant amount of freighters ourselves. Are you going to start commenting here with "Grrrr Faylee!"?

So you hunt mission runners in null. How dishonorable of you! I mean they were just wanting to run anoms in peace and you were all mean and stuff, you big meanie griefer! How come killing carebears in low, w-space, and null is alright but for some reason hisec is off limits? Apart from the noob systems, hisec is just as dangerous as any other part of New Eden with the biggest difference being mechanics. No one is entitled to play this game risk free.

Meh, I can't and have frankly no desire ever to fly a freighter. I just can't help but laugh at the tears that result when a set group of players devotes the majority of their time to finding mechanical loopholes to exploit for easy/funny kills in highsec, then acts like the sky is falling when CCP gets around to sorting it out.

Sooner or later CCP is going to grok the absurdity of bumping being used as CONCORD protected perma-tackle and do something about that too. My tear bucket is ready.

Autopiloting freighters will still get mugged and that's fine.

I can see that you don't know about the history of CODE and the Goons, there is also that freighter list which Goons have that do not get ganked, I know it exists as for a brief while I was in the CFC cough... There was a period that CODE acted independently yes but then that changed back. Also people don't know about that list in some of the other alliances, I had to tell a couple of people to go get on it that had their mains in the Imperium.

No I am not mad, you guys are very efficient and hats off to you, I will keep repeating that to I am blue in the face, I have always been impressed at the organisation and effort, but my issue is that you are using the mechanics to maximum advantage, the AG group has all the cards stacked against them in terms of trying to prevent ganks and finally you are bringing null sec levels of organisation and more importantly funding from the null sec sandbox into the hisec sandbox which due to excessive war decs has no organisation or ability to sustain it. My issue is with CCP for allowing this to get totally unbalanced, and that has lost them a lot of players, which they can ill afford, but if the intention is to ruin the game of casual players then you are winning Eve.

I think that allowing hyperdunking on ships was a bad move by CCP which increased the ability of people to gank these ships solo, this meant a huge increase in ganking, which drove out casuals, don't forget that this is on the back of changes to indy that disadvantaged hisec, not that I am against null getting a buff there, but leaving JF's with 10 LY range is meh.

You are under the mistaken belief that players like me want hisec to be totally safe, that is not what I want to see, I think however there is an unbalance in hisec, what I would propose is that CCP add additional impediments to gankers, such as no right to dock in NPC stations, that the 15 minute CGC is actually a free hunting period that AI CONCORD ships chase after them. On the other side you guys would have to setup your own Citadel to use which then can be attacked with a war dec, perhaps then things will change in the structure of hisec, but the war dec system needs to be changed to remove blanket war decs so hisec people can develop bigger and better organised corps. I also think that a more intelligent classification of crime be applied to people who gank freighters in that they get a long term suspect flag, something that enables people to intercept them outside the 15 minutes. What I after is making it more fun for the AG group, its about balance after all. I don't like the bumping mechanic and think that some sort of counter needs to be applied, but something that will not enable Jita undock to become a shooting gallery with people sitting outside to be bumped so they can gank stuff.

Grrrr Goons, lol, the thing about that is that it is used like the racist word, its naff simple as...

Mission hunters in Stain, who operate in an area we want to control ourselves and who belong to alliances that have cloaky camped and black ops hot dropped in Stain for a long period, this is a struggle for territory simple as that, we drive out their mission runners and now they have dropped back a corp that lived in that area to defend their mission runners, we have a lull on our side before we get to a increased level of operations. You could say that CODE is seeking overlord-ship of hisec which you do, but I found that a very cleverly set-up windup of the hisec player base.

There are a lot of people in the AG group who accept that ganking should exist as it adds content, they are just fed up with the unbalanced nature of it.

I have tried to tell it as I see it based on seeing how to retain casual players that pay real money to CCP without changing what the game really is, if they end up making it impossible to shoot people in hisec then you would have won and lost at the same time which I do not want to see.

Bumping, this does have a major inpact on casual players, they have an hour to play perhaps, want to move some stuff to Jita, get bumped by a Macherial, they end up being bumped for hours.

There was one example a guy who was being bumped by Globby, I became aware of it and went there, the freighter pilot had however brought in a DST and was busy removing all the stuff from his freighter, all credit to him, as soon as he finished that he logged, he was mad as hell that he was bumped for 3 hours and did not care about the freighter loss that was going to happen.

Because of the DST effort he had put in and the fact it was Globby I pushed to defend the freighter, I scanned it down and we had a fleet around it, Globby tried to engage with a weird Rokh with lasers but eventually he gave up and the freighter lost its aggression timer and logged.

The player who had been bumped was annoyed at CCP, and that he had to sit in a freighter helpless for 3 damn hours. What you are doing via the bumping mechanism is forcing casual players to commit time they may well not have and due to the mechanics there was nothing they can do about it. I am not sure if many want to continue to play within that type of game play.

CCP have realised that perhaps...

The T2 destroyer idea may work, and I will suggest that CCP are being clever here, so much so that I will train a toon to do that while my main toons are in Stain.

Oh indeed, all credit to him for reacting after and removing stuff. That was a good move.
He could of course, have saved himself a lot more time and effort, by using this alt of his and webbing his freighter from the start. But I digress.

His anger towards CCP was very well placed and his oversight and lack of planning wasn't to blame at all. Not one bit.
Why should he be forced to play the game how others want him too, right? He should be allowed to be reactive and not proactive. He should then be allowed to blame everyone else for this style of play. It matters not what game he is playing.

I mean three hours, good Bob that's a long time. How dare they do that, he just wanted to move stuff from A to B. It is quite frankly, shocking.

Why should he be forced to waste effort webbing when he can be forced to spend that time with his DST and then complain? But hey you were there to help him. I'm sure you were in full agreement with his stance and your help was much appreciated.

Plus it all fits the narrative rather well and here you are telling us all about it. Which is nice.

Damn those ebil gankers and their use of the force. Ahh yea.
Globby, I am your freighter.
This is not the freighter you're looking for. etc

With the current level of scatter gun war dec's that freighter is going to be largely solo, you can ignore the constraints of the hisec sandbox all you want but that is part of the issue. For my part when I move my freighter I web it, but I have multiple accounts and I have friends in my corp with the tick box set to inter corp aggro, but here is the rub, I am not based in hisec in the main, so don't get war decs and am not big enough to attract one because we have targets running around often in hisec.

As I said in reply to Mag, CCP has to look at ways to keep those casual players and that T2 destroyer is a smart move, however it is still unbalanced and here is why, a T2 destroyer which will cost 10 times what a T1 destroyer costs being used by a group that has no null sec funding to pay for their loss exposing that to be ganked by a t1 destroyer with a fully funded by null sec alliance entity, that is unbalanced, totally unbalanced. So no its still not balanced!

So as hyperdunking enabled solo ganking of freighters then you don't have an issue with the change then?

That story works as I intended it too, to show how it affects casual players and their attitude to the game, you may reject it that's your call, but CCP cannot afford to reject that, personally I think they are acting too late and screwed up as soon as they allowed hyperdunking to be applied to ships, a truly stupid call CCP Falcon...

As for me I have proved to myself that I can make lots of ISK and kill stuff in a game that is hard, I find the puerile behaviour of much of the Eve player base irritating, the PvE is boring and even the combat is boring, piloting skill does matter a bit, but not much, its mainly getting the drop on people, which is more fun when you are outnumbered as I normally am. I had some fun with the drifters, as that was a challenge, being in a fleet that killed drifters for no loss was fun and engaging, much more fun then trying to get around all the advantages that CODE have.

In any case if the game is simply bigger numbers win then whats the fun and why bother, over to you Sherlock...