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Vexor or Thorax (null PvP)
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#1 - 2012-01-04 01:01:05 UTC
Based on both personal observations and killboards, I think it's safe to say BCs are the majority of the hulls fielded (sub-cap) in nullsec.

If you were going to fly a T1 cruiser, and had to choose between a Vexor or Thorax, which would you pick, and why? What circumstances, if any, would make you choose the other?

All inputs on those two hulls are appreciated.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Goose99
#2 - 2012-01-04 01:10:07 UTC
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Based on both personal observations and killboards, I think it's safe to say BCs are the majority of the hulls fielded (sub-cap) in nullsec.

If you were going to fly a T1 cruiser, and had to choose between a Vexor or Thorax, which would you pick, and why? What circumstances, if any, would make you choose the other?

All inputs on those two hulls are appreciated.


They both suck and will die in fire to canes n'drakes.

If you must fly a t1 cruiser, make it a rupture.
Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-01-04 01:18:24 UTC
I prefer the Brick Vexor.

[Vexor, Brick Vexor]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x2
Berserker II x2
Warrior II x5

I find the Shield Thorax to be a little to light. They tend to disappear in small gangs with 1 or 2 gun cycles. The 1600mm Plate Electron Thorax is not bad but has range deficiencies on top of its speed deficiencies. While not being impressively fast the Vexor can project DPS with Drones whether 2x Heavy, 2x Medium 1x Light or just 5x Medium it can put that DPS on targets rather quickly. It's guns do a good 200 DPS on their own if you can get them into range as well. The ship also carries a Scram and Web which many Battlecruisers tend to lack and getting an extra web and scram on the primary is never a bad thing. Finally a bonused flight of Warrior II's will help you and your gang with Frigates and Destroyers. With 40k Buffer you are not exactly weak ether. All together you can cram about 500 DPS out of this boat which is not bad for it's size and tank.

I love using Vexors personally. Cane and Drake are way better ships to be in though.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#4 - 2012-01-04 01:21:22 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Based on both personal observations and killboards, I think it's safe to say BCs are the majority of the hulls fielded (sub-cap) in nullsec.

If you were going to fly a T1 cruiser, and had to choose between a Vexor or Thorax, which would you pick, and why? What circumstances, if any, would make you choose the other?

All inputs on those two hulls are appreciated.


They both suck and will die in fire to canes n'drakes.

If you must fly a t1 cruiser, make it a rupture.



I would agree with this wholeheartedly pre-Crucible, but with the (slight) hybrid buffs the gap has been closed somewhat so the Rupture isn't glaringly better. I'm at work and can't crunch numbers but I would still reckon that the Rupture is better, at least for solo work. It has the best EHP and speed of the three and can mount neuts without hurting its damage output much.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-04 05:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
Vexor is my favorite ship, but the Thorax is getting there.

I dont have EFT here, but the standard Vexor with 1600plate with a Medium repairer is what I would favor over the plain brick version. The lack of stations makes having a a repper very handy. The fit is something like: 4x200mm autos, small nos - web, scram, mwd - DC2, EANM2, MAR2, 1600mm RTP. For rigs, you need one ACR. Fit the other 2 to flavor - rep rigs, cap rigs, drone rigs, etc.

The problem in 0.0 is bubbles, and plated vexors are fat and slow. You will die lots with the plated fits. They are pretty durable though.

There are viable Rail Thorax fits now, where you can put nano and other speed mods in the lows. It works ok in lowsec, but not sure about how itwill fare in 0.0. Its no vagabond though. You will probably still die lots.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#6 - 2012-01-04 06:46:04 UTC
Those are VERY different hulls to be comparing.

The vex, like any drone boat, is very good at being unpredictable. You could be engaging a brick with cap warfare in the highs, or small guns to kill your dramiel faster, a blaster-fitted gank boat, etc, etc....

The thorax is very good at melting things that aren't prepared to fight it. Any cruiser that can't properly keep range on it will go down fairly quickly, given the range of your typical engagement on a gate or station.

thhief ghabmoef
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#7 - 2012-01-04 11:33:48 UTC
PvE work-nano shield vexor
PvP gank work(1-3man)-brick vexor
PvP small gang-standerd buffer thorax
PvP mid sized-rail/shield thorax

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#8 - 2012-01-04 18:30:30 UTC
Good inputs so far; thank you, all.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
mama guru
Yazatas.
#9 - 2012-01-04 23:01:11 UTC
The Vexor typically requires T2 heavy drones to be worthwile due to it's 75mbit bandwidth. The Thorax is less skillpoint demanding with medium guns & drones but lacks the utility highslot and dronebay size.

In short, it's up to you but the rupture is still better.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Liam Mirren
#10 - 2012-01-05 02:41:28 UTC
ECM thorax or a shield/nano Vexor, both have a GTFO ability of sorts in their own way, both are quite decent. If you're a min-maxer who's ego can't handle possible adversity then sure "T1 cruisers suck", if you have the "lets see how far I can get and have some fun in the mean time" attitude then T1 ships work just fine. You can lose a lot of Thoraxes before it hurts the wallet as much as a Deimos.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-05 13:46:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Based on both personal observations and killboards, I think it's safe to say BCs are the majority of the hulls fielded (sub-cap) in nullsec.

If you were going to fly a T1 cruiser, and had to choose between a Vexor or Thorax, which would you pick, and why? What circumstances, if any, would make you choose the other?

All inputs on those two hulls are appreciated.

I'd pick Thorax, faster and more damage.

e: You're going to die if anything so much as looks at you in a T1 cruiser, so you may as well go balls to the wall in a maximum DPS gank setup. This works surprisingly well if you do it in a gang.

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Yskari
Crielere Cloaking Technologies
Desolate.
#12 - 2012-01-05 13:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Yskari
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Based on both personal observations and killboards, I think it's safe to say BCs are the majority of the hulls fielded (sub-cap) in nullsec.

If you were going to fly a T1 cruiser, and had to choose between a Vexor or Thorax, which would you pick, and why? .


I don't understand this one. You say battlecruisers are a majority of fielded hulls. (subcap) so you want to fly a t1 cruiser. What?

Either, why open the post that is about cruiser advice with a quote on bruisers and their use, or why ask for cruiser advice on a bruiser thread?.

Either way, think mostly has been said. Vexor for unpredictable highslots backed by drone firepower. Thorax for balls-to-the-wall gank. (stuff will die if you get in range, failing closing the gap will result in death either way.)

I think it's up to you really, do you want to fly in front lines all-out guns blazing, or hang back and control drones, perhaps shoot small fry that comes too close to you. Personal styles and tastes may apply. Also (small rails) faction iridium charge. get you decent range (25km) and semidecent support dps.

*edit* Shield 'Rax may work to increase speed and perhaps catch someone by surprise.

~ Y. S. Kari,

Crielere Cloaking Technologies
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#13 - 2012-01-05 18:24:57 UTC
I have to say that I love the Thorax. Wish I could fly it more. It was the first cruiser that I flew in game. I have so many good memories with it. It's just so much fun charging in and melting people's faces off.

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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-01-05 20:23:14 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I prefer the Brick Vexor.

[Vexor, Brick Vexor]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x2
Berserker II x2
Warrior II x5


Are the two different gun types for different targets or to allow the fitting of the 1600 plate?

Again, thanks for all of the input and discussion so far.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2012-01-05 20:33:51 UTC
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:

Are the two different gun types for different targets or to allow the fitting of the 1600 plate?

Again, thanks for all of the input and discussion so far.

Fitting. You can fit Electrons with the new changes.

[Vexor, Brick Vexor]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

I use this fit for the most part personally because I have AWU IV and no T2 Heavy Drones.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-01-05 21:19:59 UTC
I can't fit Electrons and a 1600 plate with my skills. I also don't have Hull Upgrades to V yet, so no EANM2s for me. This is what I can do with Electrons:

[Vexor, Vexation (PvP)]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Damage Control II
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"