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Dev blog: Testing a new EVE Launcher

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DoToo Foo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#341 - 2015-10-15 14:18:40 UTC
An ongoing request of various launchers has been variaions of "Can I return to a character selection screen when logging out".

Right now, the launcher knows if I am logged in or out of any given account.

With the beta launcher, this possibly could be implemented as a "If eve session logged out, auto 'play' that account" , possibly as a config setting.

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Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#342 - 2015-10-15 14:19:44 UTC
Raphendyr Nardieu wrote:
The new binaries are downloaded to same cache folder. If you moved that using cache tool from E-menu, the binaries should be moved too.

And as it uses totally new binaries you can remove the official installation (if you want to do that).

ps. it only downloads updates to those extra servers only if you visit the servers page :D (which you did to see that those are downloaded :P ). Good thing that CCP appears to have options for those in development version. Although those servers shouldn't take much disk space (few tens of megabytes I presume).


Thank you for the fast and clear response. o7

Best post ever!
Zanaris
Zolvent Zeen
#343 - 2015-10-15 14:33:31 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Zanaris wrote:
My client version is incompatible when using the launcher beta. Client version is 13.09.968069.
It also says Unable to connect to 87.237.38.200 on port 26000. Can i update the client somehow?

The launcher version is 969236. It's very sluggish. Opening client takes .. 10 sec or so instead of instant as with normal launcher.


Try turning off Automatically detect settings (Internet properties, Connections, LAN settings) for proxy settings - that can cause the slowdown. I hope to have a proper fix for this before going out of beta.


I ran the launcher as admin as i saw in the log file that it couldn't copy manifest etc to the shared cache settings folder. As admin there were no errors apart from a http instead of https somewhere (over my head).
Thanks for help!
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#344 - 2015-10-15 15:02:05 UTC
Zanaris wrote:
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Zanaris wrote:
My client version is incompatible when using the launcher beta. Client version is 13.09.968069.
It also says Unable to connect to 87.237.38.200 on port 26000. Can i update the client somehow?

The launcher version is 969236. It's very sluggish. Opening client takes .. 10 sec or so instead of instant as with normal launcher.


Try turning off Automatically detect settings (Internet properties, Connections, LAN settings) for proxy settings - that can cause the slowdown. I hope to have a proper fix for this before going out of beta.


I ran the launcher as admin as i saw in the log file that it couldn't copy manifest etc to the shared cache settings folder. As admin there were no errors apart from a http instead of https somewhere (over my head).
Thanks for help!

Right - verifying proper file permissions is on my todo list.

You were probably running the old launcher and/or the EVE client(s) as administrator at some point - any files created by those programs would then be owned by the administrator.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
Obsidian Crowe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#345 - 2015-10-15 17:50:59 UTC
Just a little feedback on this awesome update to the launcher.

Could we get expiration dates of the accounts on the launcher, we already see skill queues when we log in?

Mostly I just want to say really good job on the launcher so-far, I would love to see some kind of active background in the future like in the previous launcher but I can understand if that's a bit of a push.

Maybe if you have an option to play the theme from the most current release as well? That would be awesome, I miss it so much from the older launchers.
Jaantrag
#346 - 2015-10-15 18:03:56 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

That worked a treat - Spent 20 mins copying and renaming files to end up with the exact same thing I had before.
I have 7 copies of the same thing for 7 different instances (20 instances if you count alts) that all open in the same monitor. Can't select an interval number, only options are - Intermediate Interval, Interval One

interval number u write about ..
Quote:
Please note: Interval Immediate makes your graphic card render maximum framerate, even if your monitor can't display it. This is not recommended on low performance hardware

^^ that is not for what monitor u wanna use ..

dont u have the "display adapter" selection just above the interval selection box???


not sure what going wrong with your case .. just did a quick test .. settings profile 1 on one toon and profile 2 on 2nd one in one monitor other in 2nd .. they were in fixed window so i changed to fullscreen for boht .. then changed the display adapter on boht to get em switch monitors .. apply settings took effect .. close down clients .. opened em back up and they were as i closed em .. changed back to as they were ..


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skarphace
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#347 - 2015-10-15 18:30:01 UTC
I'm receiving the "Verification Failure" now suggesting I run repair.exe. I have run repeair.exe, and it does its thing without issue. The standard launcher works just fine.

Is there an 'official' place to report these problems? Somewhere I may submit my launcher's debug.log? It's a bunch of "Failed to load" on Qt files.
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#348 - 2015-10-15 19:17:38 UTC
skarphace wrote:
I'm receiving the "Verification Failure" now suggesting I run repair.exe. I have run repeair.exe, and it does its thing without issue. The standard launcher works just fine.

Is there an 'official' place to report these problems? Somewhere I may submit my launcher's debug.log? It's a bunch of "Failed to load" on Qt files.

There is a Bug Report link on the right hand side in the new launcher.

Try running as administrator - this may be due to a permissions issue.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
#349 - 2015-10-15 20:55:42 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Tyranis Marcus wrote:
Just downloaded the new launcher tonight. Pretty sweet work, guys!

How about a feature to copy settings, such as copying setting 1 into setting 2, etc. Then, say I wanted two setups that were exactly the same but one set up to look good and the other set up for high performance in fleet battles, I could just make one setup, copy it over, and change the relevant things on the Display and Graphics tab. My keybinds, UI, and everything else would still be intact.

It'd be great for multiboxing, too.

Can't wait to see the Latest News and Scope Video links on there! I'm sure that's an understandably low priority at the moment, though, but that's ok. This thing is worth the wait! Love it so far!

Those things are all in the works.


Kick ass!

Do not run. We are your friends.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#350 - 2015-10-15 21:00:20 UTC
Jaantrag wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

That worked a treat - Spent 20 mins copying and renaming files to end up with the exact same thing I had before.
I have 7 copies of the same thing for 7 different instances (20 instances if you count alts) that all open in the same monitor. Can't select an interval number, only options are - Intermediate Interval, Interval One

interval number u write about ..
Quote:
Please note: Interval Immediate makes your graphic card render maximum framerate, even if your monitor can't display it. This is not recommended on low performance hardware

^^ that is not for what monitor u wanna use ..

dont u have the "display adapter" selection just above the interval selection box???


not sure what going wrong with your case .. just did a quick test .. settings profile 1 on one toon and profile 2 on 2nd one in one monitor other in 2nd .. they were in fixed window so i changed to fullscreen for boht .. then changed the display adapter on boht to get em switch monitors .. apply settings took effect .. close down clients .. opened em back up and they were as i closed em .. changed back to as they were ..



I have 3 monitors set to 3 different "display adapters" in Display & Graphics in "fixed window mode" the launcher is loading instances in the selected monitors, so part success - Thanks.

Now if I can get it to work in window mode so I am not limited to 3 accounts.
Maybe "custom window size" could be added to "Window Size", so I can set up multiple clients side by side on my monitors and have the launcher remember them as a "Setting #".
EG; Custom window size so 2 clients are side by side on one monitor, saved as "Setting 7". Just login 2 clients with "Setting 7" and away you go.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Kal'Han
Kador Trade Company
#351 - 2015-10-16 01:38:16 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Now if I can get it to work in window mode so I am not limited to 3 accounts.
Maybe "custom window size" could be added to "Window Size", so I can set up multiple clients side by side on my monitors and have the launcher remember them as a "Setting #".
EG; Custom window size so 2 clients are side by side on one monitor, saved as "Setting 7". Just login 2 clients with "Setting 7" and away you go.



that not the way eve client is built.
the launcher simply launch the client.

there have suggestion for more control of geometry for years in the suggestion forum.


CCP Snorlax, you, yes you with your magic coding fingers! I have a request that would help me, for this kind of windows management :

Can the profile name be passed to eveclient, something like that
--- exefile.exe /noconsole /ssotoken=trololol /server=xxx /settingsprofiles=1 /account=XXXX
(funny things is it seems to work, as the "account" is not used by the game, and it ignores unknown switches. so impact would be minimal)

or, alternatively make the laucher queryable on which PID is hosting which account/char (some inline soap, or c++ external api)

actually until a toon is selected in client, nothing allows us, tweakers, to identify which client is which

the /settingprofile switch could be something usable but that would not work with more than 7 client, and not everyone using multi will use different settings

well if you can tell us if something is in the pipe, or NOT, on client windows geometry management, I would stop going around this issue


my idea is either a self whipped soft, or simply http://www.stefandidak.com/windows-layout-manager/ which seem to do what some of us want
Jaantrag
#352 - 2015-10-16 06:51:35 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Jaantrag wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

That worked a treat - Spent 20 mins copying and renaming files to end up with the exact same thing I had before.
I have 7 copies of the same thing for 7 different instances (20 instances if you count alts) that all open in the same monitor. Can't select an interval number, only options are - Intermediate Interval, Interval One

interval number u write about ..
Quote:
Please note: Interval Immediate makes your graphic card render maximum framerate, even if your monitor can't display it. This is not recommended on low performance hardware

^^ that is not for what monitor u wanna use ..

dont u have the "display adapter" selection just above the interval selection box???


not sure what going wrong with your case .. just did a quick test .. settings profile 1 on one toon and profile 2 on 2nd one in one monitor other in 2nd .. they were in fixed window so i changed to fullscreen for boht .. then changed the display adapter on boht to get em switch monitors .. apply settings took effect .. close down clients .. opened em back up and they were as i closed em .. changed back to as they were ..



I have 3 monitors set to 3 different "display adapters" in Display & Graphics in "fixed window mode" the launcher is loading instances in the selected monitors, so part success - Thanks.

Now if I can get it to work in window mode so I am not limited to 3 accounts.
Maybe "custom window size" could be added to "Window Size", so I can set up multiple clients side by side on my monitors and have the launcher remember them as a "Setting #".
EG; Custom window size so 2 clients are side by side on one monitor, saved as "Setting 7". Just login 2 clients with "Setting 7" and away you go.



tbh yea .. all u been after sofar is not in the launcher .. launcher is only pairing the settings and client ..

side by side .. closest thing i could suggsest is use difrent profiles on the accounts .. then switch the screen to window mode .. this will allow u do manually resize the client (like any other window in your OS .. ) but u need to move it to the right position manually each time .. but i do recall there are some ways around it with some extra program that remembers the location for u .. but havent used em myself ..


EVElopedia < add this to your sig to show u WANT it back
Ujagar Sommdax
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#353 - 2015-10-16 07:08:46 UTC
Hello devs,

When launching EVE with multiple clients, im very concerned with their tab order below so I quickly can navigate between main and alts. Even with 15s delay in launch timer, the new launcher still doesnt launch in the desired order but it just makes the launching proces slower. With 1,5s or 15s I get the same random result.

But I must say again - great and promising launcher!

Much love

-Jaeger
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#354 - 2015-10-16 08:29:29 UTC
Jaantrag wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Jaantrag wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

That worked a treat - Spent 20 mins copying and renaming files to end up with the exact same thing I had before.
I have 7 copies of the same thing for 7 different instances (20 instances if you count alts) that all open in the same monitor. Can't select an interval number, only options are - Intermediate Interval, Interval One

interval number u write about ..
Quote:
Please note: Interval Immediate makes your graphic card render maximum framerate, even if your monitor can't display it. This is not recommended on low performance hardware

^^ that is not for what monitor u wanna use ..

dont u have the "display adapter" selection just above the interval selection box???


not sure what going wrong with your case .. just did a quick test .. settings profile 1 on one toon and profile 2 on 2nd one in one monitor other in 2nd .. they were in fixed window so i changed to fullscreen for boht .. then changed the display adapter on boht to get em switch monitors .. apply settings took effect .. close down clients .. opened em back up and they were as i closed em .. changed back to as they were ..



I have 3 monitors set to 3 different "display adapters" in Display & Graphics in "fixed window mode" the launcher is loading instances in the selected monitors, so part success - Thanks.

Now if I can get it to work in window mode so I am not limited to 3 accounts.
Maybe "custom window size" could be added to "Window Size", so I can set up multiple clients side by side on my monitors and have the launcher remember them as a "Setting #".
EG; Custom window size so 2 clients are side by side on one monitor, saved as "Setting 7". Just login 2 clients with "Setting 7" and away you go.



tbh yea .. all u been after sofar is not in the launcher .. launcher is only pairing the settings and client ..

side by side .. closest thing i could suggsest is use difrent profiles on the accounts .. then switch the screen to window mode .. this will allow u do manually resize the client (like any other window in your OS .. ) but u need to move it to the right position manually each time .. but i do recall there are some ways around it with some extra program that remembers the location for u .. but havent used em myself ..



Actually, it seems your wrong. The launcher is currently supporting window mode placement on monitors. All that needs to be added is the "custom window size" option. I have 2 monitors (instances) set in "fixed window" and 1 in "window mode" - and it works.

NB; I found out by accident, when one of my "setting #" was by accident closed out and restarted (several times) in window mode. It launched each time in the same monitor and seems to have started happening after the update this morning (my time) to beta launcher.

Thanks to the dev team. If it was by accident (or not intended), don't fix it, just add custom windows as an option and you've exceeded this multi boxers expectations.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#355 - 2015-10-16 08:59:08 UTC
Ujagar Sommdax wrote:
Hello devs,

When launching EVE with multiple clients, im very concerned with their tab order below so I quickly can navigate between main and alts. Even with 15s delay in launch timer, the new launcher still doesnt launch in the desired order but it just makes the launching proces slower. With 1,5s or 15s I get the same random result.

But I must say again - great and promising launcher!

Much love

-Jaeger

I have a theory on what is going on, I'm sure we ca sort this out (yes, pun intended).

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
Johnno Ormand
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#356 - 2015-10-16 09:29:42 UTC
Love the new launcher, thank you CCP a step in the right direction!

Could you please make the EVE Server status text the same font/size as in the current launcher? Wayyy too small, I keep the launcher open during downtime while I do things away from the computer. The new font size is too small, can only see it if your sitting at the pc.

The old launcher I can see when the server comes back up no matter where I am in my living room :)
Freedom7
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#357 - 2015-10-16 10:00:41 UTC
Really like the new launcher massive improvement of the current one.
Jaantrag
#358 - 2015-10-16 11:26:25 UTC
dev build .. keep asking to migrate old settings everytime i open the launcher .. little checkbox with "dont ask again-u can do it from settings" would be nice :)

EVElopedia < add this to your sig to show u WANT it back
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#359 - 2015-10-16 11:33:24 UTC
Jaantrag wrote:
dev build .. keep asking to migrate old settings everytime i open the launcher .. little checkbox with "dont ask again-u can do it from settings" would be nice :)

It should only ask once.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#360 - 2015-10-16 11:42:03 UTC
Ujagar Sommdax wrote:
Hello devs,

When launching EVE with multiple clients, im very concerned with their tab order below so I quickly can navigate between main and alts. Even with 15s delay in launch timer, the new launcher still doesnt launch in the desired order but it just makes the launching proces slower. With 1,5s or 15s I get the same random result.

But I must say again - great and promising launcher!

Much love

-Jaeger

Just to help us debug this, could you try even higher values, say 60s delay?

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/