EVE General Discussion

First in with:

- "that's a bad idea"
- "I already use battleships loads all the time"
- "my smallship meta will be ruined"
- "my bricktanked t3 meta"
- "but the big alliances will just blob us again"
- "It doesn't need revitalising you noob"

Now that it's out of the way...

Battleships are frequently used, perhaps not routinely in PVP but they are a constant when it comes to PVE.

With that said, the main reason they are not more widely used in PVP is simple - they are slow and often can't hit smaller faster moving targets very effectively. Their ability to put out damage is awesome...but applying that damage to targets while not being an easy kill yourself is the trick!

Also true.

Battleships are very relevant. Kind of wondering where OP is coming from with this!

I pvp a lot (badly), we hardly ever see BS used on a regular basis..

Dunno, would be nice to see them come back again

The major thing that discourages me from using them more (I do actually use them quite a lot) is their incredibly slow align and warp times. They're great when you can get on grid with something, but actually getting to a fight in a battleship takes forever.

Oddly low strategic speed is not a problem real battleships actually suffered from as they could generally achieve and sustain high top speeds and travel long distances very quickly.

Warp speeds OP, its the warp speeds.

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To bring battleships to a combat potential in pvp ones more, and not as a "Press F1" mechanic? It would probably come down to the turrets. Change weaponry so there is greater functional differentiation between the turret and missile types. This way, battleships perform a more specialized, but powerful role such as a more point defense, or long range bombardment like battleships are supposed to be.

*Insert a bunch of babble here describing more role versatility and squad on squad mechanics, etc...

Macherial is pretty widely used at the moment.

It's a compound problem because not only are battleships extremely slow in warp, their lack of on-grid agility makes them slow getting in to warp in the first place.

It's symptomatic of the overly formulaic approach EVE has to speed. Big ships are slower than small ships, slower moving, slower warping, slower to lock targets, everything that can be slower than a smaller ship is slower. These disadvantages also compound together, because battleships need more time than smaller hulls to do things when they actually get to the fight they are more badly affected by their inability to get to a fight.

In a game like EVE where combat is intensely time critical these kind of compound speed disadvantages relegate slow whips to niche use or use in PVE where time is less of a concern. You can buff the hell out of them all you want, but so long as flying one means you're still 3 jumps out when the fight ends they're going to remain minimally useful.

I have no problem with BS being slower in general, but when a 20AU warp goes from 37s to 54s eww gross!

yea it was stupid before that frigates (especially the 13.5 au/s ceptors) couldn't quickly catch up to BS over a few warps, and like the way interceptors can now intercept. but BS got hit too hard in the process.

+1 for warp and align speeds.