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What are your fraternization policies for your crews?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-10-14 02:14:09 UTC
I ran into an issue not too long ago with fraternization among my crew. I have a few ideas for what to do about it, and I'm asking if anyone has experienced this problem and found a good solution.

One of my crew in engineering offlined a subsystem on my Tengu in protest. Apparently there was a love triangle involving a petty officer and a junior crew member, and it just had to require my attention.

I'm very pragmatic when it comes to matters of the "heart" so I sent everyone on a paid vacation to the locale of their choice. It's the middle of that shore leave right now, and I'm using this quiet time to plan for the future. I want to implement a few things upon my crew's return. I've budgeted 2% of all underway income and so far my ideas for using that fund are:


  • a live-in hospitality crew, to perform housekeeping and take over laundry services as well as dining.
  • a live-in stewarding crew, who will hopefully keep the attention of my workforce off each other.


Lastly, I'm going to institute a suggestions system focused on amenities and quality-of-life improvements. I like to think my crew and the ship's performance will improve with things like morale bounty outings.

Thoughts?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-10-14 02:19:58 UTC
If your crew can't sort out their problems amongst themselves outside their jobs like adults I suggest that you just fire them.

Put down a rule that nobody is allowed to take their personal baggage onto the ship and to sort their problems out on the dry dock.

Also, hiring a counselor is in-fashion these days. You might want to consider hiring one or two as members of your staff.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2015-10-14 04:47:55 UTC
Yeah, what Edmund said - with one exception. Generally I don't allow crew to fratenise when one is directly above the other in the chain of command. Other than that, a free hand and no tolerance when it comes to abuses.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#4 - 2015-10-14 05:23:43 UTC
I've never run into this problem. My crew knows full well that I am a Capsuleer, and if their personal problems cause issues with my ship, production lines, research, or wallet, I can end their lives in many unpleasant ways with absolutely zero consequences. Aside from that teenie, tiny, little stipulation, it's free game in the love department.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2015-10-14 05:28:05 UTC
Simple rules I have in place:

No physical contact of a relationship kind between crew members while onboard (this includes hugging, kissing, holding hands etc etc)

No one may have relations with a crew member under them in rank if they are part of the same ship's crew.

Offlining of modules, or other modifications or tampering with onboard systems, without the Pilot's prior instruction or permission is punishable by immediate revokaction of employment contract and crew insurance policy. Said crew member is dishonourably discharged ashore at the nearest station.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Arrendis
TK Corp
#6 - 2015-10-14 06:15:03 UTC
I generally tell my crew that if they cause issues, I'm going to transfer them to one of Jarna Civire's ships. That seems to work.

As far as rules, though... mostly the same sort of things others have mentioned: No fraternizing within the same direct chain of command, no activities that would compromise the ship's functions, etc. No PDAs on-duty or in public areas of the ship when off-duty. No co-habitation unless they're married or in some other equivalent legal status (polyamorous marriages are fine, I don't care how many of them are married to one another, just don't let it screw with the ship's function).
Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-10-14 06:17:41 UTC

Rain6637 wrote:
Apparently there was a love triangle involving a petty officer and a junior crew member, and it just had to require my attention.

We have no practical experience with such things, but a love triangle requires three persons.

Were you trying to tell us you were involved?

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-10-14 06:19:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Goldfinch wrote:

Rain6637 wrote:
Apparently there was a love triangle involving a petty officer and a junior crew member, and it just had to require my attention.

We have no practical experience with such things, but a love triangle requires three persons.

Were you trying to tell us you were involved?



A Tengu is operated by more than three persons. On-dock a capsuleer, even a Freelancer, has even more staff. Ever consider that?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-10-14 07:37:03 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Simple rules I have in place:

No physical contact of a relationship kind between crew members while onboard (this includes hugging, kissing, holding hands etc etc)

No one may have relations with a crew member under them in rank if they are part of the same ship's crew.

Offlining of modules, or other modifications or tampering with onboard systems, without the Pilot's prior instruction or permission is punishable by immediate revokaction of employment contract and crew insurance policy. Said crew member is dishonourably discharged ashore at the nearest station.

Proper and professional solution.

I could only add if the offlining happens when the ship is active in space, the crew member should be considered as a saboteur on a military ship and enemy supporter and thus must be shot on sight.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-10-14 09:45:40 UTC
Like most respondents, I try to employ adults. All prospective employees undergo extensive psychological testing, as I'm sure is the case with most fellow pilots.

This means we can all understand a contract, and behave appropriately. On duty, staff are expected to be professional in all events. Off duty, it's none of my business. In fact, I'm all in favour of personal relationships being formed, romantic or platonic, because people work harder to protect those they love. It's also a sad fact of life in the war zone that no matter how careful I am, we will lose people. How can I begrudge my brave men and women the comforts of human love, or that last night of mad lovemaking before an engagement, never knowing if the next moment is to be their last? Make merry, for tomorrow we die.

Amazingly, I find myself in agreement with Commander Kim - any such act as offlining on active service is mutiny, and punishable by death as per the Uniform Code of Military Justice. We are Irregular forces for the Federal Defence Union, and all crew must sign the articles of war as if they were in the Navy. However, as noted earlier, appropriate screening and clarity of contract means we've never had such an incident, and I feel some sympathy for Captain Rain6637. I'm sure many people here can offer recommendations to her for excellent combat evaluators.

Finally, we also have two counsellors on board, and a multidisciplinary psych team (which includes a shaman for any Minmatar staff, and a skilled dominatrix for crew that simply need to be told to get a grip) available over secure transmission channels.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-10-14 09:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Like most respondents, I try to employ adults. All prospective employees undergo extensive psychological testing, as I'm sure is the case with most fellow pilots.

This means we can all understand a contract, and behave appropriately. On duty, staff are expected to be professional in all events. Off duty, it's none of my business. In fact, I'm all in favour of personal relationships being formed, romantic or platonic, because people work harder to protect those they love. It's also a sad fact of life in the war zone that no matter how careful I am, we will lose people. How can I begrudge my brave men and women the comforts of human love, or that last night of mad lovemaking before an engagement, never knowing if the next moment is to be their last? Make merry, for tomorrow we die.

Amazingly, I find myself in agreement with Commander Kim - any such act as offlining on active service is mutiny, and punishable by death as per the Uniform Code of Military Justice. We are Irregular forces for the Federal Defence Union, and all crew must sign the articles of war as if they were in the Navy. However, as noted earlier, appropriate screening and clarity of contract means we've never had such an incident, and I feel some sympathy for Captain Rain6637. I'm sure many people here can offer recommendations to her for excellent combat evaluators.

Finally, we also have two counsellors on board, and a multidisciplinary psych team (which includes a shaman for any Minmatar staff, and a skilled dominatrix for crew that simply need to be told to get a grip) available over secure transmission channels.


Personally, I would be very tempted to sent 'saboteurs' out of the airlock. Anyone who can't keep their personal feelings away from work and allow it to endanger the ship and/or crew is rightfully branded a saboteur and a mutineer and will be handed over to the sovereign authorities to be charged under the relevant laws.

If area I am in has no such authorities I will leave them stranded on any planet that isn't a storm planet, gas giant or plasma planet with supplies and distress beacon.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#12 - 2015-10-14 11:06:06 UTC
The penalty for members of my all-slave crew for this offense: torture and execution. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Mika Tanaka
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-10-14 11:14:16 UTC
My fraternization policies are simple: I fraternize my crew myself. If they misbehave I fraternize them even more until they stop.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2015-10-14 11:49:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Mika Tanaka wrote:
My fraternization policies are simple: I fraternize my crew myself. If they misbehave I fraternize them even more until they stop.

Well. There's that solution but it has a couple shortfalls. I only have so many clones and earmarking one for morale is a bit much. Also in the case of my crew, the involved are all male, as is the majority on board. And I don't think they'd be into my kind anyway.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#15 - 2015-10-14 13:25:24 UTC
I don't fratenize with my crew, mostly because talking to drones is crazy. And I'm not crazy! Honest!

Drone crew, best crew.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-10-14 13:43:50 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:

One of my crew in engineering offlined a subsystem on my Tengu in protest. Apparently there was a love triangle involving a petty officer and a junior crew member, and it just had to require my attention.

Rain6637 wrote:
Also in the case of my crew, the involved are all male, as is the majority on board.

Well, ma'am. This isn't just a "fraternization". It is an outrageous perversion, violation of Corporate Marriage code of conduct and basic human dignity.

I would recommend immediate expulsion from the duty every affected person, shaming them in front of all of other crew, bringing in physical punishment (about 20-30 whips in front of the crew), revocation of their shipman licences and immediate invalidation of their contracts without any compensation.

Don't forget to add in their recommendation letters that they are honorless perverts, so any other who would want to hire them would know what blight they might be accepting.

Such behavior in the State is not tolerated. Of course my recommendations would work for Caldari, but gallente... you know, they might even allow such sort of... well.

Of course, I would fire all gallente crew from my ships regardless, so you have to take into account our cultural traditions and project my advises through the prism of your crew reality. What would work for Caldari would not work for Gallene and counterwise.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rhoxy Runekin
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2015-10-14 16:04:35 UTC
Sometimes, the drones that crew my ship will fall over. So I hired a small team of well-built individuals to set them back up again so that my crew can continue to work indefinitely. I haven't noticed them fraternizing much, but they do tend to do a lot of fist bumping, and patting each other on the posterior.
Wendrika Hydreiga
#18 - 2015-10-14 18:17:36 UTC
Rhoxy Runekin wrote:
Sometimes, the drones that crew my ship will fall over. So I hired a small team of well-built individuals to set them back up again so that my crew can continue to work indefinitely. I haven't noticed them fraternizing much, but they do tend to do a lot of fist bumping, and patting each other on the posterior.


But Miss Runekin! If you hired a crew to keep your drone crew from falling over, doesn't that make the drone crew redudant?
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#19 - 2015-10-14 19:09:03 UTC
I don't care what my crew does when I'm not watching. If they take inappropriate action towards each other while I, their superior, am present, or if whatever they're doing causes any breakdown in their ability to operate my ship, I'll fire all involved, expel them at the nearest station, and add my poor remarks to their public resume.

They're fully aware of it. I've never had a problem.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Rhoxy Runekin
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2015-10-14 19:16:46 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:


But Miss Runekin! If you hired a crew to keep your drone crew from falling over, doesn't that make the drone crew redudant?


They have to be redundant, they keep falling over! My biological crew is far smaller, and as such I find I have to spend far less on Quafe and jerky flavor Protein Delicacies than if i had a fully breathing crew. Besides, it feels funny having so many humans running around inside of me.
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