EVE General Discussion

So I had been hearing rumers for a long time that the IGB was on its way out. This is a real shame I understand why its going but it was one of the things that made Eve so special. Go on a fleet you will see people linking images and gifs at eachother, corp websites, IGB integration like with the TVP waitlist. In many ways we are going to suffer when the IGB dies.



But then I got to thinking mabey its not all bad. What if we make out of game browser Eve friendly.


First things first, any and all http links (urls) when clicked in game will open in your default browser. Sure put a popup that says you know may lead to dangerous site da da da, but please for the love of god make that message one that can be disabled :)

Then make plug ins for the big browsers like Crome, these plugins automatic install with the client. Make the plugin do what the igb dose now, send and receive headers, character name, location etc. Plus have java script commands like we do now such as show info or join channel. If you click on one of the correctly coded the plugin talks to eve and says open this trusted command and do what it says.


Hope that makes sence, a good way for us to have good browser functionality with out CCP having to dedicate so much effort to a custom browser. let me know what you think

Oh believe me I completely agree, I actually went to bed this morning watching footage from the Rubicon release era fanfest (2009 I believe) on the whole browser and I've got to say I was very impressed with it. Lord knows its an item I have uses dozens if not hundreds of times a day. But unfortunately with the way the web is an item like an IGB would be a hudge security issue on a daily basis, and yes they have things like Lockdown mode that can be triggered by any dev calling a GM and I quote from the before mentioned video "HIT THE RED BUTTON" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KQJQhqHgz4 (the link if anyone is interested) but still the security features that exist do also limit things like flash so sorry no cool animations, no web games or youtube. And I have to admit after thinking about this over night since seeing the EN24 article about the demise of the IGB, I find my self in an odd position.


I do believe we need to get rid of it, or get a complete up to date rebuild and have a DEV team whos only job is security and features for said browser but lets be honust, most of us would prefer instead of the man power on that they focus on other features like oh I don't know sheared bank accounts (check out https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6094948#post6094948). Or for those of us who have been around for a while bring back a Jukebox, I miss that feature from back in the good old days.

However I think eve would also suffer with out good web intergration, any one who has flowen in big fleets, though gate camps, low, null or even highec will have been linked things, it may be a mocking gif or image, or it may be somthing from the Eve Wiki or someother help page linked to them in a private convo or help chats. Alone missing out on the ability to do that would hurt the eve players.




Lets just think about how we have to open somthing in an out of game browser assuming a url is linked in game, and we have no access to the IGB,

1. person a links a resource, such as an address: www.terribleganking.com
2. person b would have to copy the whole message (right click on the url and click copy url)
3. and then paste it into an out of game browser like crome.

Might not seem like a big deal but what about new people or people who dont know they can copy from chat, simply linking a help page turns into a whole exercise on how to access the web, and another question will urls link nicley like they do and then have no action when clicked or will it be like normal text and therefore not standout.

Even my mocking gifs become painful.





So I simply ask why not go to option B:

If you click on a url you get a modal popup box that says do you wish to go to external site (ccp cannot guarantee your safety) a message just like if you click on a link in the forums. Maybe they might even be nice and give us an option to click do not show this again.

all of a sudden links in game can still be handled in an easy manner that makes sense to people, not to mention advantages like less stress on the eve servers and they wouldn't have to really maintain any code.

The best thing is they are no longer responsible for maintaining a safe web its a travel at your own risk kinda thing.




But with my last 2000 characters in this post lets go one step further, there are plenty of awesome resources for this game that make it a better place that rely in on info such as your upto date location, toon name etc. So why not make a simple plug in for common browsers (crome, edge, safari etc) that allows your client to communicate with websites that request the information. The plugin could maintain a trust system like what we have now so you have to manually trust a website for it to get that info so no major security issues.

But we can make it work backwards as well so java script can still be used to cause pre determined commands to run in eve via said plugin for your browser. Such as show info or join mailing list etc, (if your interested in the current js options visit https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/IGB_Javascript_Methods). CCP should still be able to maintain what commands can be run to insure safety on that level but it means plenty of awesome resources will still work relatively easily.




Now i admit I am not a web dev, and have limited knowlage in this feild, (all be it more than the average person) but I would love to hear from the devs, gms, and the public as to why we couldn't have something like this. Or some other option that allows us still to open links with a click in out of game browsers and do reverse were like the java scripting for the IGB.







Thanks for taking the time to read thins i know its long winded but unlike my normal trolling BS on the forums i am trying to be useul this time .



- Let me have it!


Samuel the terrible

I like the IGB. I use it for quick google searches and what not. Also browsing the forums.

All while i still have my game up. I actually try to alt-b in other games and always end up disappointed...

The only thing I've used the IGB for was EVE Tools, wouldn't it make that site unusable?

Just because a few "vocal" (ahem) people have no imagination in how they use the in-game browser, doesn't mean because they don't "find" much use for it, those of us who DO have to live without it. I find it hard to understand how people can convert their own personal opinions (likes and dislikes, preferences and such) into immutable fact. Since I have a decent education and relatively well-developed abstract reasoning skills, my bet is I'll never understand this.

Our only salvation against people such as these is, hopefully, the people running, designing, developing and managing this game have well-developed abstract reasoning skills as well, and wouldn't possibly be influenced by people who can't tell the difference between their own personal preferences in life and actual factual factualities (that could be a word!
Yes it could!)

I don't use forks. Therefore, all forks should be taken up and melted down for the scrap metal.
If you're not eating your mashed potatoes with your fingers, you don't deserve mashed potatoes for dinner!

What is it with these ****** rumour, half informed clown posts these days? The IGB will be removed... when its replacement, called CREST, is ready. This has been stated by the devs many times now and it makes good sense. If only people used the few brain cells they have to investigate stuff first instead of creating yet another clown thread based on nothing.

You understand nothing at all, if you did you wouldn't have made this **** thread.

Then why are you making clown posts based on zero understanding, zero knowledge and mostly just hype, memes and hearsay. This thread is no different from "Gankers ruin the game, listen to my awesome explanation and whines" threads, or any CAM thread for that matter.

Actually I have saved fittings working via CREST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBQaq6iUTQU

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