EVE General Discussion

Was that the sound of your baby rattle hitting the floor when you threw it out of your pram?

Holy moly then go already

The mental. You haz it.

If you're going to whine and stamp your foot about biomassing and leaving, you should at least have the balls to stop pontificating and actually go ahead with it.


Yes, the OP was read by all and universally condemned.

Perhaps we did understand, but just didn't find the idea very good. Perhaps we did consider answering with something relevant and constructive, but then saw how you build up your arguments, not on facts but at best feelings sold as facts. Then we saw how you try to mask that fact by acting like you are so intelligent(because we don't have reasonable objectivity), we could never phanthom what you are saying(though lets be honest, it is not that complicated.. 30 days newbie corp, then kick to wardeccable npc corps, profit from the hordes of thousand players that start their own corp).

an example of that you had an idea what conclusion you wanted to end up with, then fit assumptions around to make it sound like fact.



No supported facts, but a lot of shoehorning. Perhaps you should live up to your own standards of reasonable objectivity.

Then we saw how you got all personal, and started calling people cancer.... tbh. for someone who claims to be our mental superior, you did act rather childish.

But as i said I am pretty neutral to the idea. It would not change anything for me personally. Due to what I wrote, I don't think it will change a lot for many players tbh. And yes I read it all more times, to amke sure there was not something I missed


But you seem a bit agitated tbh. and It is only a game, no reason to get worked up. I hope you stay around, and if not I wish you all good in the next games you choose to play.

Hold up a minute.

This isn't that well thought out a proposal (and yes I read it). If game design was this simple this would already be in place.

You're falling into the trap a lot of players who are attempting to engage with the developmental process make: assuming you can craft a simple solution to a perceived problem. There are several problems with that approach. Firstly, how you identify the 'problem'. Secondly, whether your 'solution' has been proposed before, repeatedly. Thirdly, that your proposal will address the problem effectively without significant negative effects elsewhere. And finally, that you are able to craft game design mechanics better than CCP, or than anyone else involved in these types of discussion both now and in the past.

These proposals generally don't stand up to criticism because the idea is usually not unique, it's an oversimplification or a blunt solution to a complex issue, and the proposer either has no formal standing in the community or reacts poorly to criticism. The assumption from players that their insight is spectacularly unique and has never been seen before by developers is really minisinformed. Some devs are former players and they too like to forum. EvE players generate massive amounts of ideas, critique and feedback - there's rarely a comment made about mechanics that hasn't been made before, and generally discarded with good reason.

There are better ways to participate in design discussions. Posting an idea on GD and then engaging in word-battle is probably the worst - and F&I isn't far behind.

So play a bit smarter.

Wait for a topic of interest to pop up and then consider it objectively, how it fits in with things you would like to see, and respond to the person who proposed it. You can do that on GD, F&I, reddit, TMC/en24 or any blog - and it's worth keeping an eye on CSM blogs in particular. I'm not saying this in an elitist way because I do think newer players can bring fresh perspectives to old problems. But you need to learn how to participate within the community - and to a degree that means engaging in discussions in a positive rather than negative way. No-one will accept a proposal from an NPC alt (unless it's spectacular) or from someone they perceive as disruptive. That might seem unfair, but that's life. If you aren't willing to put the work in to demonstrate that you can engage in more thoughtful discussion without being personally offended by trolls, lurk. Or do massive amounts of research on your chosen topic (eve-search ftw) and then put it in F&I where it belongs. Remember, these are campaigns, not just an idea you can blurt out and then expect everyone to support. So strategise accordingly.

I wouldn't biomass btw, everyone has off days. I don't particularly like seeing people being dogpiled on the forum, but with this one you haven't sold the idea properly, and you've been trapped into a circular argument. Doesn't mean you can't learn to in future.

Yes i read it.

You are still a mental.

I suggest ringing EA customer halpline. Press 1 and ask for Derek.

Oh and nobody cares about your pontifications you silly and pointless little man.

Delete CAS. It's full of bronies and adult males roleplaying as teenage girls, typing stuff like *giggles* in corp chat

If you don't even read the OP, what the **** are you doing in a thread?

Alternatively, CCP could just teleport the MAIN of every character that has started thread that amounts to "Allow me to get free IBIS kill mails", into PLs' most highly populated systems.

Teleport them in their most BLINGY ship (Cargo bay loaded with all their Worldly assets) and give them CYNO BEACON EFFECT. Can't move for 10mins and you have a nice warp in for everyone..

Every-time they die, re-spawn them right back there in their next blingy ship until all they have is an IBIS. If they log out, just remember the aggression timer allows you to keep their account online.

When they're down to empty IBIS, move on to the next character on their account. Rinse and repeat.

Sounds lovely

I'm fairly sure these 'adventurers' will sign up for this service in their droves and certainly ensure CCP gets a subscription each month.